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The Leavers Lagoon - for people positive about our future outside of the EU.

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surferjet · 12/02/2018 08:35

Good morning Smile

Voting to leave the European Union was a monumental decision, and one that will change the direction of our Country for decades to come.
I see that as an exciting opportunity & something to be welcomed & celebrated.

So, if you see solutions instead of problems, if you see a better future for the citizens of U.K., free from the constraints of an organisation we had no control over, then this place is for you.
Of course not everything is going to run smoothly, maybe not for years, because leaving a union drowning in red tape was never going to be easy, but we are forward thinking progressive people who know the future doesn’t just mean next week.
So, here’s to our new future,
To the future of the U.K. Wine
The countdown begins.........

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Ifailed · 15/02/2018 14:38

DG, co-incidentally, I'm reading Adam Rutherford's book "A brief history of everyone who ever lived" now. The revelations about Cheddar Man were particularly timely.

DGRossetti · 15/02/2018 14:39

My mum was illegitimate so i think my unbroken family line is already ballsed up

It was decried at the time, but DNA analysis of generations shows that the genetic connection between child and parent - especially father - is n't 100% over time. Which ultimately means some childrens parents were not who they thought they were (and thus messing up future genealogy).

Going back to the more unsettled history of these islands, how many people are ultimately descended from the raids and ravages of Vikings, Saxons etc etc ?

AgnesSkinner · 15/02/2018 14:42

The 1 million ancestors is only theoretical because there was an awful lot of interbreeding (as in cousins marrying cousins).

DGRossetti · 15/02/2018 14:42

So since that's about 200 years, and most people before this time would not have looked much further than local area, think I am pretty safe to safe saying I'm of English decent.

An awful lot of presumption there. King Alfred visited Rome in the 800s ... and the Black Death proved quite motivational for some.

Personally I'd rather have some spiced up variety to my genes than the risk of inbreeding (touches on another MN thread of late) whichis much more likely if your ancestors never left and never welcomed anyone in ....

mummmy2017 · 15/02/2018 14:47

Lol, think mine is more it's common stock, on dad's side, think mum's has some duke in the family, so that probably means a french marriage, somewhere, funny how we all come from 4 people originally I think they said.

Just not anyone exotic that has married into the family for a long while.

Ifailed · 15/02/2018 14:48

mummmy2017 6 generations back from now takes us to the late19th Century. By then there had already been a massive shift of the population from rural areas to urban, so the chance of all 64 of your great-great-great-great-grandparents being 'pure english' is already very slim.

mummmy2017 · 15/02/2018 14:59

From what I can gather apart from one time when we were factory owners on Dad's side, our lot were poor, and in a big city, everyone seems to have been very boring in selecting a life partner, for the 6 generations we know of, Granddad was B 1901, and the youngest of very old father, think 65 when born, and that's just 1825 for for 4 generations.

Even on mum's side older dad's young wifes. 4 generations again is mid 18th C.
Seems family legends is that all married for love, something of a joke passed down the family lines...

Corcory · 15/02/2018 15:01

Michael and Rossetti - Don't you know that Felixstowe is one of the largest container ports in Europe!

Remainers not checking their facts! Never.

Peregrina · 15/02/2018 15:03

It [Customs IT infrastructure] really would be highly unlikely they would be ready for March 2019 but after a transition period? I think that is do able.

From what those of us claimed to have some expertise in IT said, 5 years is probably reasonable to get a system working, and another 5 to fine tune the system. At the moment, they don't know what they want, so they haven't even begun to draw up a spec for the work.

the infrastructure and the laws need to change, but that's just it .

The lorry parks for the customs sheds will just build themselves will they? Or the laws just write themselves? It's often said that laws written in a hurry have to be rewritten as it becomes clear that they weren't properly thought through. The ideas that May et al. are wittering about now are ones which should have been thrashed out in 2016, but we are already half way through the second month of 2018. The position with the airlines will reach a crunch next month because I understand that the schedules and landing slots are booked a year in advance.

DGRossetti · 15/02/2018 15:03

Although, really, does it matter ? And if it does, then what about the people who were already in the countries that made up the British Empire and the treatment they received ?

Peregrina · 15/02/2018 15:05

But I do agree, building more port facilities away from Dover would be a good idea, especially if it brought work to depressed areas. Do we see May sending any teams of people to potential areas to discuss the options? I have missed it if she has. I have seen her and BoJo running off to India with great fanfare and coming back quietly when the issue of visas came up.

LondonMum8 · 15/02/2018 15:08

I'm about as British as you can get about 20 Generations of pure english.

Ridiculous. Coming from you, that's actually a heavy insult to Britishness. Learn the language properly please - you would certainly fail the current citizenship test. Anyway, I don't buy it. No actual Brit I've heard of says things like "no nasty word" etc.

if you speak to the older leavers you will find Global Trade is what they think will be the future

I'd like to see some studies to support that, and at any rate it would be fairer to consider younger people's opinions, for natural reasons.

I personally think the NHS should be managed cross party anyway, and so not used as a weapon in election's

Boris "£350M/wk For the NHS" Johnson is quite a scumbag then, isn't he?

mummmy2017 · 15/02/2018 15:09

DRG no not really, was just trying to prove that I am not for Asia, in my resent past, and bet some of my lot never married, just changed their names, I have children and I didn't marry their dad, I am so glad times have moved on and it isn't like it was.

Peregrina you can detail all the things you life, but what it comes down to is to accommodate what ever happens there will be change.

mummmy2017 · 15/02/2018 15:10

London mum, your not a teacher this is not a test, so NASTY WORD off.

MichaelBendfaster · 15/02/2018 15:18

Corcory, no, I didn't know that about Felixstowe. I was clear in my post that I was asking for info about ports. But I'm glad to have given you the chance to write a nice gloating post.

Anyway, I would still be interested in learning more about the current state of our ports and/or any government plans anyone knows of to improve and expand them.

Peregrina · 15/02/2018 15:22

Peregrina you can detail all the things you life, but what it comes down to is to accommodate what ever happens there will be change.

Who has said there won't be change? Do you want an orderly change or a muddle through change? One reason that no turf has yet been cut on building the needed lorry park in Kent is because some idiot(s) didn't think to go through the proper planning process, so it got entangled in a judicial review. The plan has now been dropped, I believe.

Or think about the decision to withdraw from Euratom, which absolutely no-one has voted on because it was a separate treaty initially, but eventually came under the auspices of the ECJ. What plans have been made to ensure that cancer treatments will still be available? If Rees-Mogg, BoJo and co have the misfortune to get cancer, they are wealthy enough to go and book themselves into private clinics abroad. Not the likes of most of us. The sensible thing there would be to cancel the bit of A50 which dealt with the Euratom withdrawal. But will that happen? I am not holding my breath.

DGRossetti · 15/02/2018 15:46

One reason that no turf has yet been cut on building the needed lorry park in Kent is because some idiot(s) didn't think to go through the proper planning process, so it got entangled in a judicial review.

Of course Henry VIII clause etc, we won't need a pesky judicial review. In fact courts will probably be a bit quiet anyway ...

Peregrina · 15/02/2018 16:19

Of course Henry VIII clause etc, we won't need a pesky judicial review. In fact courts will probably be a bit quiet anyway ...

Yet didn't the Leavers vote to 'take back control'? How is accepting laws from Henry VIII's time taking back control of anything?

DGRossetti · 15/02/2018 16:34

Yet didn't the Leavers vote to 'take back control'? How is accepting laws from Henry VIII's time taking back control of anything?

I have no idea what Leavers voted for, although we have had some nuanced, valid and interesting POV here.

It doesn't really matter what Brexiters voted for, because the end justifies the means.

Ifailed · 15/02/2018 17:21

4 generations again is mid 18th C. Really - that's 270 years. I don't believe you.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 15/02/2018 17:53

Apparently the 'punishment clause' is being removed & rewritten properly.

It appears it was unnecessarily adversarial after all - who'd have thunk it?!

mummmy2017 · 15/02/2018 17:59

GD borne 1901
GGD borne 1825. 11th child 3rd Marriage..
GGD is had child at age 50ish would be 1773 18th C...

But hey ho. I don't care if you believe me or not as I know it's true.

AgnesSkinner · 15/02/2018 18:12

Ifailed my great great great grandfather (so going back 5 generations) was born in 1777 so it is quite possible.

frumpety · 15/02/2018 19:57

I notice no-one picked up on my comments about the majority of people who voted in the referendum being unhappy with the final outcome ?
Or the fact the government would be sensible at this point in time to outline what each type of leave entailed fully ?

LondonMum8 I actually know someone who is currently swotting for the citizens test , I would most probably fail it, as would, at a guess, a large % of those who were born in the UK . However if you need someone to join your pub quiz team , I would recommend finding someone who has taken the test Grin