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RedToothBrush · 30/01/2018 00:18

'Quick' Recap.

Once upon a time, despite warnings to the contrary after previously attempting to recreate a speech from the 1930s, Theresa May triggered a50.

A series of events, which included a disastrous unnecessary General Election and losing seats, ensured that we have Brexit by Timetable in which every piece of goodwill was burnt up a long time ago, and the EU decided to go "see ya then".

Only this General Election, made this politically impossible as well as practically impossible, given how this would destroy our economy.

So May did the only thing she could and agreed to lock us in with sufficient progress deal, which is legally binding, if no deal is agreed. Thus giving us in essence a choice between staying in the Single Market and Customs Union due to NI or breaking an international agreement which would destroy all our international credibility and trust.

Except none of the Brexiteers really grasped what was happening. Until this week.

In the meantime we still have had spectacles of Nadine Dorries asking on the infamous WhatsApp Group why we can't stay in the CU. Any Davis saying that he has now apparently 'changed his mind' on the matter. Not that Labour are any better, with Corbyn saying we can't stay in the Single Market and leave the EU. Except of course, Norway is in the Single Market...

Fast forward through a sex scandal that's swept through Westminster, installing self appointing the vampiric Gavin Williamson as Defence Secretary, we eventually ended up with a reshuffle which was possibly as pointless and as successful as the General Election. And Gavin Williamson is caught up in a sex scandal.

May has managed to drag the Great Repel Bill through the Commons, without breaking the party, but with much back room dealing and compromise with Remainers. Hailed as something of a victory by Brexiteers, this rather is a fools paradise. At what price to their ideological purity did this come? Is there much Brexit left? And there is much more to come in the Lords, with the LDs committed to working with Labour on securing at least 10 amendments. The two parties have a majority in the Lords if they work together.

Away from parliament we have had the glorious demise of Toby Young, who is forever to be remembered for eugenics.

As it has become apparent that we are increasingly looking like we are on track for BINO, the EU have told us, that we should have sucked up a compromise proposal earlier and now the Norway Option is off the table as we fucked that up by taking too long to disagree amongst ourselves and being arses to EU citz. I paraphrase slightly here, but that's about he long and short of it. Instead we get the pleasure of 21 months of the EU interfering in our law without representation. And we are already locked into this. Now Leavers can moan about this, and shock horror, actually be correct about it too! Transition will be up to 31st Dec 2020 at the latest. Which realistically is still too soon, not that any lying arsed Brexiteer is willing to admit to this. Yet.

The only way to get out of this proposal for better terms? Either beg the EU for something there is no way they will give us or revoke / extend a50.

The fall out from May's reshuffle is still going on in slow motion. Rees-Mogg has got a bigger platform to spout shit he knows nothing about, admit that he has never changed a nappy nor wiped his own arse, thinks women should give birth to football teams, and how he has never visited IKEA and has no plans to do so. Johnson has tried to build bridges. And effed that one up again. Gove has made us all be obsessed by plastic straws and turn into environmental maniacs because no other minister is good at press releases and media stunts. Arch Remainac Liddington, got Deputy PM and took over Brexshit even more from DExEU. Hunt is in no way after becoming PM and Greening is really pissed and when straight back to lead from the Naughty Step.

To cut the long story short: they all hate May and think she's shit

There are thought to be nearly 48 letters to trigger a leadership election in Graham Brady's hands. But not quite. And its not about the letters its about needing 159 MPs to no confidence her... but that is starting to sound more and more plausible in the face of Brexshit hitting the fan.

We now have a leaked impact assessment that we really were not supposed to see which is slightly less worse than Project Fear. But not by much. Its supposed to be by DExEU. Its been suggested that its actually by alt-DExEU aka the Cabinet Department (Robbins and Liddington).

Anyway, nothing is decided. May might zombie on forever. She won't, she's in a crowded field of Tories with stakes. But that sub-committee meeting on Wed 7th Feb is crunch time for something or someone.

Tick tock, tick tock, went the Brexit Clock.

Oh yeah and there's going to be a trade war between the US and EU. And there's some stuff about a ex-Belize diplomat. And Trump's coming to visit us.

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DGRossetti · 31/01/2018 13:42

Anyone catch World at One ?

Chinese businessman pointing out concerns in China about Mays longevity, followed by a Tory MP telling him that he was wrong about sentiment in China.

Hmm
SusanWalker · 31/01/2018 13:52

So as well as worrying about chlorine chicken and hormone beef we also need to worry about this:

pressreleases.responsesource.com/news/94339/trouble-in-toy-town-christmas-concerns-as-over-a-third/

Brexiteers of the racist kind will not be happy about more immigration from india. They seem to dislike immigrants of a different skin colour and religion even more than European ones. Not all brexiteers obviously but we all know there are some who will not like this at all.

DGRossetti · 31/01/2018 14:10

Brexiteers of the racist kind will not be happy about more immigration from india.

So much so, they might want to stop Brexit ?

By the way, I humbly submit that you don't need to add the adjective "racist" to the word "Brexiteer" - it's implicit. For me, Brexiteers are the swivel-eyed cake-and-eat-it, less-brown-faces leave voters. Easily distinguished from "Leavers" or "Leave voters" whose vote was considered with sensible reasoning. (And who have been thrown under the bus since).

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 31/01/2018 14:16

Wasn't that one of their oh so clever arguments for Brexit? That actually it was the Remainers that were racist because they wanted to limit immigration to the EU and not other countries and all they wanted to do was level up the playing field for the whole world?

SusanWalker · 31/01/2018 14:27

Yes you're right DG, just wanted to make sure no one thought I was saying all leavers are racist.

I saw a comment once on another site saying that on brexit day all * (persons of any other colour than white) should be shoved down the channel tunnel and the end blocked up. Even more worryingly this comment had more likes than dislikes. So I am sceptical as to how happy they will be with increased Indian immigration.

DGRossetti · 31/01/2018 14:29

Wasn't that one of their oh so clever arguments for Brexit?

It can't have been, since there are no clever arguments for Brexit Grin. There are a plethora of stupid ones though. Bent bananas, sovereignty, milk in pints, reintroduction of pounds shilling and pence, blue passports, bringing back hanging, playing the national anthem in cinemas, banning people speaking foreign, banning people speaking Welsh, fox hunting, badger baiting, hare coursing, the birch,
banning gay marriage, (continued on p. 94)

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 31/01/2018 14:31

An argument they thought was clever, at any rate Grin

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No 10 says Phillip Lee, a justice minister, has been disciplined by the chief whip over this Twitter thread. "He was asked to air views in private in future"

SusanWalker · 31/01/2018 14:48

Found this. From last year but probably still valid. About how the unemployment figures aren't all they're cracked up to be.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.uk.businessinsider.com/unemployment-in-the-uk-is-now-so-low-its-in-danger-of-exposing-the-lie-used-to-create-the-numbers-2017-7

^On paper, Britain is supposed to be doing well - growing economy, low unemployment. So why did Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party get so many votes in the latest election? (Answer: People still feel poor, their wages are not rising, and one in seven workers is out of work.) Why did a majority of voters choose Brexit? (Answer: The economy for men is basically still in recession, and men don't like losing their economic power, so this was a good way of "taking back control.") And why are so many people trapped in the "gig economy," making minimum wage? (Answer: Because the true underlying rate of unemployment means companies can still find new workers even in a time of "full employment.")

So yes, it's great that we have low unemployment in Britain.

But it would be better if economists (and the business media) were a bit more up-front about how our definition of unemployment actually masks the real rate of worklessness, which today is quadruple the official rate.^

DGRossetti · 31/01/2018 14:51

Marks and Sparks closing 14 stores ...

DGRossetti · 31/01/2018 14:59

I saw a comment once on another site saying that on brexit day all * (persons of any other colour than white) should be shoved down the channel tunnel and the end blocked up. Even more worryingly this comment had more likes than dislikes. So I am sceptical as to how happy they will be with increased Indian immigration.

My wife was told that it would be a shame she'd have to "go home" after Brexit by a lovely old lady at the doctors. Not because of her skin colour (which makes polar bears look tanned). Nor because of her accent (which is what you'd expect of someone born in Liverpool, bought up in the Midlands). Merely because her surname is "funny" - being as it is of Italian extraction (but not "Rossetti" Smile).

But, my wife is still here. However that lovely old lady did get her wish, since we have kicked out a brown man instead. OK, he's highly skilled doctor, and 35,000 people pleaded for him to stay, but ... well that's sovereignty for you.

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-queen-elizabeth-hospital-doctor-14225188

A Birmingham doctor is set to leave the UK next month after failing to halt Home Office deportation action against him.

But Syed Kazmi from Lozells, who until recently worked at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital, hopes to return to the UK and has vowed to continue his battle in the courts from afar.

The 38-year-old from Pakistan has been working in the NHS for nine years, including a spell at Walsall Manor Hospital and supporters describe him as an ‘amazing’ doctor who goes out of his way to help patients.

(contd).

I wonder if the Chinese read the Birmingham Mail (I know they do). They would be far too polite to mention this to Theresa May, but she'd be an idiot if she thinks it's a secret.

RedToothBrush · 31/01/2018 15:01

Emily Ashton‏ @elashton
No 10 says Phillip Lee, a justice minister, has been disciplined by the chief whip over this Twitter thread. "He was asked to air views in private in future"

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DGRossetti · 31/01/2018 15:37

More sovereignty

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-42888353

A hospital boss has called for an urgent change to immigration rules so he can recruit "desperately-needed" doctors from outside the EU.

David Loughton, chief executive of New Cross Hospital in Wolverhampton, said he cannot bring in new doctors because a limit on visas had been met.

^He said all its applications for December and January were rejected.
The Home Office said when demand exceeded the visa limit, priority was given to those filling a shortage.^

Mr Loughton says the hospital vetted and recruited candidates, but the tier-two visas were turned down because the national quota of 20,800 had been met.

^There will be no more until the beginning of April, he said.
Mr Loughton has now enlisted the help of local MPs to lobby for changes.^

He said: "I don't think there should be a quota, we desperately need to get these people in."

(contd).

Bear in mind these two stories are from one corner of the UK. Moreover a corner which not only voted Leave, but according to someone upthread still support Leave. Although I suspect that within that, Wolverhampton and Edgbaston (where the QE2 hospital is) would have been islands of Remain ...

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 31/01/2018 15:39

Steve Bullock
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BREAKING: @AnnaSoubry comes out in favour of a #FinalSayForAll on the exit agreement, and agrees with @joannaccherry that @eucopresident, @JunckerEU, @EPPresident and @EmmanuelMacron's invitations mean the UK can remain in the EU if we so choose.
parliamentlive.tv/event/index/28c51cde-1c05-4397-bced-f0e06b95974d?in=14:13:22

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 31/01/2018 15:45

Financial Times‏Verified account
@FinancialTimes
FT Exclusive: The EU has rejected a Brexit trade deal on financial services, which could hit a sector that is Britain’s biggest source of exports and tax revenue on.ft.com/2Gzw5tc

prettybird · 31/01/2018 15:53

I do think calling that an "exclusive" is a bit over-egging it Wink

"EU confirms that what it told the UK 19 months ago that no special deals were available is still the case" would be a more accurate headline Grin if a little wordy

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 31/01/2018 16:01
Grin
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 31/01/2018 16:02

Honourable, if overzealous, course of action or more in line with Marina's take?

Richard Morris‏
@imrichardmorris
Treasury Minister Lord Bates just resigned from the government after apologising for missing a question from Labour's Baroness Lister of Burtersett.

twitter.com/imrichardmorris/status/958726108815544321

Marina Hyde
‏*@MarinaHyde*
When you want out of Theresa May's government so badly you'll confect any old "it's not you, it's me" shit

MsHooliesCardigan · 31/01/2018 16:06

Front page of today’s Evening Standard.
And it looks like Fromage has landed himself a leading role in a prime time tv drama. Who knew he was so talented?

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SusanWalker · 31/01/2018 16:17

AN on daily politics today did pull a blinder.

Tory minister refers to the brexit economic reports as "independent"

AN - treasury reports

Tory - OK independent treasury reports

AN - no just treasury reports, you don't need the independent bit.

(Slightly paraphrased)

Peregrina · 31/01/2018 16:38

Resign as leader, and challenge anyone who thinks they can do better to take over.
I think they have changed the rules and that option is not open to her any more.

That actually it was the Remainers that were racist because they wanted to limit immigration to the EU and not other countries and all they wanted to do was level up the playing field for the whole world?

One of the more sensible Leave posters has consistently argued this. I told her to take it up with Theresa May/Amber Rudd because there is nothing to stop us doing this now.

RedToothBrush · 31/01/2018 16:41

Harry Cole @ mrharrycole
Plot thickens... No10 say that PM and core Cabinet committee were shown a draft of the Brexit document at last week's EU Exit Sub Committee. "Presented as a partial work... members of the sub committee were shown the draft last week." Which is not what was said yesterday...

Hahahaha. So they are not impact reports afterall. The PM knew nothing about them. Except she apparently did. And they aren't finished.

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DGRossetti · 31/01/2018 16:51

I think they have changed the rules and that option is not open to her any more.

I will match the Conservatives contempt for our constitution by spouting my views, rather than reading the minutia of Conservative Party Constitution, and venture that what they did was remove the ability to challenge the leader (a la Anthony Beaumont-Dark) during a parliamentary session.

I'm pretty sure that the actual Leader would be free to resign at any time (and thus trigger a contest).

So she can't be challenged, but can issue a challenge.

prettybird · 31/01/2018 16:56

Cakeism is dead. Shock

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Huw Sayer #Writerr*
@HuwSayer

Replying to @davidallengreen and @JackofKent
Meanwhile...

#Brexitt^ blow for UK #Financiall^ sector as #EUU^ rejects cakeism.

"This was our best and frankly only proposal. We don’t have a plan B.”

OlennasWimple · 31/01/2018 16:59

Blimey, that resignation is odd. There must be more to it (than seeing an "out"), surely??

DGRossetti - there are laws about flying flags in Northern Ireland, the rest of the UK operates on protocols

OlennasWimple · 31/01/2018 17:01

TM can surely resign? She couldn't be forced to stay on in post in the event of, for example, genuine health problems, and no-one should have to fake a doctor's note to get out of a job that they want to leave

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