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RedToothBrush · 30/01/2018 00:18

'Quick' Recap.

Once upon a time, despite warnings to the contrary after previously attempting to recreate a speech from the 1930s, Theresa May triggered a50.

A series of events, which included a disastrous unnecessary General Election and losing seats, ensured that we have Brexit by Timetable in which every piece of goodwill was burnt up a long time ago, and the EU decided to go "see ya then".

Only this General Election, made this politically impossible as well as practically impossible, given how this would destroy our economy.

So May did the only thing she could and agreed to lock us in with sufficient progress deal, which is legally binding, if no deal is agreed. Thus giving us in essence a choice between staying in the Single Market and Customs Union due to NI or breaking an international agreement which would destroy all our international credibility and trust.

Except none of the Brexiteers really grasped what was happening. Until this week.

In the meantime we still have had spectacles of Nadine Dorries asking on the infamous WhatsApp Group why we can't stay in the CU. Any Davis saying that he has now apparently 'changed his mind' on the matter. Not that Labour are any better, with Corbyn saying we can't stay in the Single Market and leave the EU. Except of course, Norway is in the Single Market...

Fast forward through a sex scandal that's swept through Westminster, installing self appointing the vampiric Gavin Williamson as Defence Secretary, we eventually ended up with a reshuffle which was possibly as pointless and as successful as the General Election. And Gavin Williamson is caught up in a sex scandal.

May has managed to drag the Great Repel Bill through the Commons, without breaking the party, but with much back room dealing and compromise with Remainers. Hailed as something of a victory by Brexiteers, this rather is a fools paradise. At what price to their ideological purity did this come? Is there much Brexit left? And there is much more to come in the Lords, with the LDs committed to working with Labour on securing at least 10 amendments. The two parties have a majority in the Lords if they work together.

Away from parliament we have had the glorious demise of Toby Young, who is forever to be remembered for eugenics.

As it has become apparent that we are increasingly looking like we are on track for BINO, the EU have told us, that we should have sucked up a compromise proposal earlier and now the Norway Option is off the table as we fucked that up by taking too long to disagree amongst ourselves and being arses to EU citz. I paraphrase slightly here, but that's about he long and short of it. Instead we get the pleasure of 21 months of the EU interfering in our law without representation. And we are already locked into this. Now Leavers can moan about this, and shock horror, actually be correct about it too! Transition will be up to 31st Dec 2020 at the latest. Which realistically is still too soon, not that any lying arsed Brexiteer is willing to admit to this. Yet.

The only way to get out of this proposal for better terms? Either beg the EU for something there is no way they will give us or revoke / extend a50.

The fall out from May's reshuffle is still going on in slow motion. Rees-Mogg has got a bigger platform to spout shit he knows nothing about, admit that he has never changed a nappy nor wiped his own arse, thinks women should give birth to football teams, and how he has never visited IKEA and has no plans to do so. Johnson has tried to build bridges. And effed that one up again. Gove has made us all be obsessed by plastic straws and turn into environmental maniacs because no other minister is good at press releases and media stunts. Arch Remainac Liddington, got Deputy PM and took over Brexshit even more from DExEU. Hunt is in no way after becoming PM and Greening is really pissed and when straight back to lead from the Naughty Step.

To cut the long story short: they all hate May and think she's shit

There are thought to be nearly 48 letters to trigger a leadership election in Graham Brady's hands. But not quite. And its not about the letters its about needing 159 MPs to no confidence her... but that is starting to sound more and more plausible in the face of Brexshit hitting the fan.

We now have a leaked impact assessment that we really were not supposed to see which is slightly less worse than Project Fear. But not by much. Its supposed to be by DExEU. Its been suggested that its actually by alt-DExEU aka the Cabinet Department (Robbins and Liddington).

Anyway, nothing is decided. May might zombie on forever. She won't, she's in a crowded field of Tories with stakes. But that sub-committee meeting on Wed 7th Feb is crunch time for something or someone.

Tick tock, tick tock, went the Brexit Clock.

Oh yeah and there's going to be a trade war between the US and EU. And there's some stuff about a ex-Belize diplomat. And Trump's coming to visit us.

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lonelyplanetmum · 12/02/2018 08:32

He is an expert in Aviation and , CEO of the CAA (Civil Aviation Authority).

Pah -experts what do they know.

We have had enough of experts remember.

I'd put my faith in the Gove, Johnson and Rees Mogg crew rather than aviation experts any day.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&hl=en-gb&biw=320&bih=445&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=uVCBWtWAM-qHgAao24Aw&q=cartoon+passengers+voting+to++flying+plane+brexit&oq=cartoon+passengers+voting+to++flying+plane+brexit&gss_l=mobile-gws-img.3...17186.26651.0.27382.27.27.0.0.0.0.157.2472.16j11.27.0....0...1c.1.64.mobile-gws-img..5.11.1102...30i10k1.0.IKEExCXCDx0#imgrc=EICw06R-5uvjxM:

lonelyplanetmum · 12/02/2018 08:33

Sorry link fail...

This one -

www.newyorker.com/cartoon/a20630

Motheroffourdragons · 12/02/2018 09:18

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DGRossetti · 12/02/2018 10:31

When did the Tory party start sneering at the "business elite"

When the "business elite" (dog-eared, because they're not really that good at business) thought it could buy class.

They're "trade". Always were, and always will be. Prince Albert was a foreign abomination (good thing he didn't hang around too long) and as soon as he was gone, the aristocracy breathed a sign of relief, and went back to protecting themselves against the mob.

Rees-Mogg and his ilk are trying to take us back to the ear of the "Gentleman". Someone who has no need to work ("independent means") and can concentrate on their god-given duty of entrenching their privilege for the next generation of Rees-Moggs. It's a divine calling, and anyone who gets in the way is - not to be too dramatic about it - defying God himself.

That view definitely exists within some of the cliques assembled today.

And if you can't revoke universal suffrage, you can render it impotent ...

LondonMum8 · 12/02/2018 10:37

@lonelyplanetmum

The cartoon nailed it.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/02/2018 10:56

mother The most important consequences of being a 3rd country, afaik;

  1. The UK cannot build adequate customs infrastructure - which means recruiting and training staff, as well as buying land, forcing thr planning permission, tendering, building … - by Dec 2020 The govt has hardly started, except to prepare ration books (the latter according to senior civil servant JDD on RNorth blog)

To enable sufficient food imports, the UK might have to let in food from all WTO members without checks, because of equal treatment.
However, the govt should be able to get an emergency WTO waiver, if they are competent and act early Hmm

  1. The E27 does not have the customs / phytosanitary infrastructure to cope with more than a small fraction of current UK exports to them
    Even if the UK side is ready, UK exports will be seriously delayed and with added costs for exporters.

  2. All UK agricultural and farming produce will no longer be certified
    That includes processed food too, not just fresh or frozen produce.

According to RNorth, that doesn't just mean customs checks and phytosanitary checks:
it means they will be refused entry until there is a UK certification arrangement for each sector in detail - dozens of them

He thinks that will take at least 6 months to organise certification and that is if the UK govt side knows what it's doing Hmm
He expects UK farming/agriculture will be devastated during this period, with many bankruptcies
I suppose the govt could give massive grants to tide over farmers & businesses, but that would cost many billions to be really ffective

SusanWalker · 12/02/2018 11:03

Also don't forget Euratom and cancer treatments.

DGRossetti · 12/02/2018 11:07

2) The E27 does not have the customs / phytosanitary infrastructure to cope with more than a small fraction of current UK exports to them

Am I alone in remembering that the UK will be paying for all of that too ? It was almost the first thing that the EU said ... costs of Brexit will be borne by the UK. After all we're the ones who want it.

DGRossetti · 12/02/2018 11:11

I suppose the govt could give massive grants to tide over farmers & businesses, but that would cost many billions to be really ffective

To do what ? You can't even mulch modern money and use it as fertiliser. How is money alone going to magic up arable and pasture land we don't have ?

I won't even begin to insult peoples intelligence by pointing out that more farming takes more labour, and the the British have - for better or for worse - shown over successive generations that we don't like doing farming.

No shame it that. My DFs DF was a farmer. Which is the overwhelming reason why my DF wasn't, and why he suggested I shouldn't be either. It is **ing hard work.

(Leaves to one side the irony that DF is growing tomatoes, cherries, grapes, and other goodies in the back garden since retiring).

BigChocFrenzy · 12/02/2018 11:25

DG The billions would be to stop some farmers & businesses going bankrupt during the 6 months+ - probably an entire growing `/ raising/ business year

It would also maybe go towards developing / buying machinery to replace E27 pickers who no longer wish to come - but for some crops machines are not possible

i.e. trying to maintain current UK capability for the following years.
The same would be required for other sectors, too, to stop them pulling out of the UK, or going broke

Probably, the only possibility for expansion is for farmers to utilise land currently left for environmental reasons, but this is very limited and probably not significant

BigChocFrenzy · 12/02/2018 11:51

Can you do daily 14:10 as well, to increase fasting

brownelephant · 12/02/2018 12:09

bigchoc to help surviving on rationing? Wink

TheElementsSong · 12/02/2018 12:10

What it comes back to is that Leavers are outraged at any suggestion by Remainers that there isn't enough understanding of the manifold complicated issues, whilst simultaneously being ecstatic at being treated like utter mugs and ignorant fools by their own "side".

DGRossetti · 12/02/2018 12:10

DG The billions would be to stop some farmers & businesses going bankrupt during the 6 months+ - probably an entire growing `/ raising/ business year

What about all the other industries that are then starved of their bungs ?

Can you do daily 14:10 as well, to increase fasting

I'm already down to 1,800 calories in two meals a day as it is ...

BigChocFrenzy · 12/02/2018 12:26

Oops, sorry wrong thread Blush
I'm sure the disaster will never get that bad < crosses fingers hard - worried about the poorest and the housebound >

DGRossetti · 12/02/2018 12:30

worried about the poorest and the housebound

Who - in JRM land - fully deserve their lot, as per All Things Bright and Beautiful

Motheroffourdragons · 12/02/2018 12:33

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BigChocFrenzy · 12/02/2018 12:42

Brexit meanz Bungs

Not just to the DUP
but also bungs to many sectors of the economy

Maybe not though if if it's PM Moggy
Back to the 19th century, when "domestic service" was one of the main occupations ?

Mogg is Brexzilla

woman11017 · 12/02/2018 13:24

@rafaellacj
At our request @MumsnetTowers have asked @jeremycorbyn to come for a webchat about this. So far no response. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3152256-Jeremy-Corbyn-webchat-to-discuss-self-identification-of-sex

About gender ID.

If he did deign to chat, wonder what we would ask him too!

Cos so much about gender ID is a take down of what Women have achieved in Equalities Law, and cos Equlalities Law doesn't exits in brexitania. And as he supports Brexitania, well.......

BigChocFrenzy · 12/02/2018 13:34

Hmm I would be astonished - and very impressed - if JC would discuss that issue on MN
Politicians rarely want to volunteer for discussions about their actions that have irritated a lot of their audience

Also, when he was on MN before, during the last GE campaign, iirc he was 30 mins late, only stayed 20 mins and didn't answer questions with many specifics, just took the easy / fawning questions.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/02/2018 13:36

Good idea, though
If he refuses, maybe a Tory like Maria Miller - who as a minister was so contemptuous of feminists not agreeing to h]give up safe spaces - or maybe her successor as minister

lalalonglegs · 12/02/2018 13:36

Didn't JC do a MN web chat last year that was considered a bit short on substance? I wouldn't hold your breath Hmm.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/02/2018 13:40

Imo, many Tories - here and the US - support the TRA movement because it solves the pesky issue of womens' rights, equality, refuges etc if more men can be counted as women
It absolves them from actually having to do anything.

e.g. with giant leap for women, so many Silicon Valley CEOs were "women" Confused

BigChocFrenzy · 12/02/2018 14:04

The lovely NI border has its own Twitter account 😁😁

Read, to have a break and a giggle:

https://mobile.twitter.com/BorderIrish?refsrc=twsrc%5Etfw&reff_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.belfastlive.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fthe-irish-border-now-its-14274293

woman11017 · 12/02/2018 14:14

Yep. probably lala Nice account, bigchoc
I am the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. I’m seamless & frictionless already, thanks. Bit scared of physical infrastructure. Don’t like the sea.

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