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RedToothBrush · 30/01/2018 00:18

'Quick' Recap.

Once upon a time, despite warnings to the contrary after previously attempting to recreate a speech from the 1930s, Theresa May triggered a50.

A series of events, which included a disastrous unnecessary General Election and losing seats, ensured that we have Brexit by Timetable in which every piece of goodwill was burnt up a long time ago, and the EU decided to go "see ya then".

Only this General Election, made this politically impossible as well as practically impossible, given how this would destroy our economy.

So May did the only thing she could and agreed to lock us in with sufficient progress deal, which is legally binding, if no deal is agreed. Thus giving us in essence a choice between staying in the Single Market and Customs Union due to NI or breaking an international agreement which would destroy all our international credibility and trust.

Except none of the Brexiteers really grasped what was happening. Until this week.

In the meantime we still have had spectacles of Nadine Dorries asking on the infamous WhatsApp Group why we can't stay in the CU. Any Davis saying that he has now apparently 'changed his mind' on the matter. Not that Labour are any better, with Corbyn saying we can't stay in the Single Market and leave the EU. Except of course, Norway is in the Single Market...

Fast forward through a sex scandal that's swept through Westminster, installing self appointing the vampiric Gavin Williamson as Defence Secretary, we eventually ended up with a reshuffle which was possibly as pointless and as successful as the General Election. And Gavin Williamson is caught up in a sex scandal.

May has managed to drag the Great Repel Bill through the Commons, without breaking the party, but with much back room dealing and compromise with Remainers. Hailed as something of a victory by Brexiteers, this rather is a fools paradise. At what price to their ideological purity did this come? Is there much Brexit left? And there is much more to come in the Lords, with the LDs committed to working with Labour on securing at least 10 amendments. The two parties have a majority in the Lords if they work together.

Away from parliament we have had the glorious demise of Toby Young, who is forever to be remembered for eugenics.

As it has become apparent that we are increasingly looking like we are on track for BINO, the EU have told us, that we should have sucked up a compromise proposal earlier and now the Norway Option is off the table as we fucked that up by taking too long to disagree amongst ourselves and being arses to EU citz. I paraphrase slightly here, but that's about he long and short of it. Instead we get the pleasure of 21 months of the EU interfering in our law without representation. And we are already locked into this. Now Leavers can moan about this, and shock horror, actually be correct about it too! Transition will be up to 31st Dec 2020 at the latest. Which realistically is still too soon, not that any lying arsed Brexiteer is willing to admit to this. Yet.

The only way to get out of this proposal for better terms? Either beg the EU for something there is no way they will give us or revoke / extend a50.

The fall out from May's reshuffle is still going on in slow motion. Rees-Mogg has got a bigger platform to spout shit he knows nothing about, admit that he has never changed a nappy nor wiped his own arse, thinks women should give birth to football teams, and how he has never visited IKEA and has no plans to do so. Johnson has tried to build bridges. And effed that one up again. Gove has made us all be obsessed by plastic straws and turn into environmental maniacs because no other minister is good at press releases and media stunts. Arch Remainac Liddington, got Deputy PM and took over Brexshit even more from DExEU. Hunt is in no way after becoming PM and Greening is really pissed and when straight back to lead from the Naughty Step.

To cut the long story short: they all hate May and think she's shit

There are thought to be nearly 48 letters to trigger a leadership election in Graham Brady's hands. But not quite. And its not about the letters its about needing 159 MPs to no confidence her... but that is starting to sound more and more plausible in the face of Brexshit hitting the fan.

We now have a leaked impact assessment that we really were not supposed to see which is slightly less worse than Project Fear. But not by much. Its supposed to be by DExEU. Its been suggested that its actually by alt-DExEU aka the Cabinet Department (Robbins and Liddington).

Anyway, nothing is decided. May might zombie on forever. She won't, she's in a crowded field of Tories with stakes. But that sub-committee meeting on Wed 7th Feb is crunch time for something or someone.

Tick tock, tick tock, went the Brexit Clock.

Oh yeah and there's going to be a trade war between the US and EU. And there's some stuff about a ex-Belize diplomat. And Trump's coming to visit us.

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woman11017 · 07/02/2018 20:22

More! BBC has told people not to wave them now.

Westministenders: KAAAAABBBOOOOOOOOMMMMM
thecatfromjapan · 07/02/2018 20:57

NotReadyToMove Who are you under the namechange? For what it's worth, I hope we back out of Brexit. I can't bear to think of what it's going to do to real people. Sad

According to a Guardian article I've seen tweeted here further details are

80 billion hit to public finances

20% price rises across the board and

16% (? from memory) rise in agriculture costs. I read that and thought of a MN-er farmer who was really worried about the impact of Brexit for her. I feel Sad thinking of her.

I can't get over these figures. I can't get over the fact that this will not be enough to halt Brexit. It is going to be devastating.

LindySprint · 07/02/2018 20:57

The winner is SuRie with a secret Remain song.

woman11017 · 07/02/2018 21:05

New, bad.

Westministenders: KAAAAABBBOOOOOOOOMMMMM
thecatfromjapan · 07/02/2018 21:17

Elements I fear you're right about that. I'm already seeing it on Twitter. I think the only reply is: "Aren't you lucky to be so comfortable and so heartless you don't need to worry about this for yourself or others?"

DUP already calling these figures, "No more reliable than astrology."

Nothing but nothing has an impact on this crazy irrationality, does it?

I'm wondering if DGRossetti's idea about street parties in London might be the thing. It just might work ...

lalalonglegs · 07/02/2018 21:21

At this stage I'll do whatever it takes.

QuentinSummers · 07/02/2018 22:04

Not entirely sure how London coming out relatively compared to other regions unscathed will go down. Surely twisted into some glory hunting elite selfish bastard.
I think it must be to do with the money we get from the EU. That goes to deprived areas e.g Wales, North east, Cornwall. London won't get much cos it's rich. When we leave the EU those grants stop with nothing to replace them.
I seem to recall Leave campaign suggesting when we left we'd have bags of cash to replace the EU grants to these areas, funny now that's all gone quiet.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/02/2018 22:34

woman Do the BBC stop people waving Union Jacks at the Proms ?
If so, that's fair
If not, that's outrageous censorship by the licence whores
They won't change tack, or hedge their bets, until Labour looks likely to be in power after the next GE

Brexshit economist Patrick Minford was quite open about saying that his favoured WTO "Britain Unchained" Brexit would have the side effect of wiping out the UK agriculture / farming and manufacturing sectors.
Only a few niche farms or firms would remain.

He and the ultras, like JRM, regard all those lost jobs as unimportant compared to what the wealthiest 1% will gain from Brexit

Some Moggster Leavers have posted here that the Uk doesn't need farming, agriculture, manufacturing if China & India can produce goods more cheaply Confused
but that means yet more UK imports and yet fewer Uk exports to pay for them - and especially to pay for essential imports, like 50% of Uk food

BigChocFrenzy · 07/02/2018 22:40

Looks like the London elite will do well out of Brexit, whether Labour, liberal or Tory
because they can also expect the top tax rates to be cut, to keep them happy and here

Expect a lot of sucking up, to mend fences with wealthy liberals

The wealthy elite will be crying all the way to the bank; the poor & the JAMs will be crying all the way to the food bank

woman11017 · 07/02/2018 22:40

What with the Eurovision being 'European' and our oldest ancestor being black, it's been a tough day for them, bigchoc.

www.farminguk.com/news/MP-calls-for-introduction-of-GCSE-agriculture_48554.html
Calls for GCSE Agriculture to be introduced....

BigChocFrenzy · 07/02/2018 22:42

Unless May does U-turn #97 at the last moment and settles for EEA /EFTA
Or the Tory realists topple her and they do EEA / EFTA

BigChocFrenzy · 07/02/2018 22:43

If the govt don't see sense, UK Agriculture will only be part of the History syllabus

woman11017 · 07/02/2018 22:49

I think by 'agriculture' they mean 'vegetable pickers'.

thecatfromjapan · 07/02/2018 22:55

I'm genuinely depressed to think of the harm this is going to do to people.

I feel so sad. Sad

I feel so sad that people were conned into voting for something that is going to harm them and their children.

And probably me, and my children too (even if I do live in Evil Elite London). I doubt that people like me, and mine, and the people around me are going to find ourselves unscathed.

SwedishEdith · 07/02/2018 22:57

Nick Timothy and George Soros trending. You can guess where that's going, The 'citizen of nowhere' and GE17 "mastermind" going full Pepe?

SwedishEdith · 07/02/2018 23:01

Ben Stanley‏
@BDStanley

That Telegraph article is basically “Soros is trying to undermine Brexit. Here’s a list of various things that he has been accused of by a motley bunch of autocrats and authoritarians. This, we feel sure you will agree, bolsters our argument.”

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 07/02/2018 23:10

Just checked the Eurovision programme on the iplayer. Pretty sure there’s an eu flag at 55.22 though it’s hard to tell. Sounds like made up bullshit to me.

thecatfromjapan · 07/02/2018 23:12

There's a full Pepe thread on MN at the moment, too. Manages to link No-platforming, the Trans debate and Remain-Liberal-elites, along with a truly bizarre attack on Soros.

It appeared this morning. I couldn't fathom it initially but I'm now convinced it appeared ahead of the impact reports (and this Soros story).

I reported it to MN but was told it didn't break the guidelines. I do like MN's approach generally - it's nice and relaxed - but I do think they're a bit naive when it comes to our new breed of right-wing, disaster politics politrolls.

SusanWalker · 07/02/2018 23:14

I've been lurking on some more brexity comment sites. Apparently the report deliberately predicts bad recessions in leave areas to frighten leavers. Tis all a conspiracy as was done by the remainer treasury and is to pressure leave voting areas to stay in.

That view along with fake news was very popular. Apparently the government are stopping any positive brexit stories on purpose.

A few very far out posters think it will actually all be OK as all the immigrants will leave which will leave houses empty and free up jobs and free the country of kebab shops.

Along with the usual not minding short term pain as UK will be booming and back on top in the end, bizarrely by using our fishing to sell cod to the French, which will give a massive boost to the economy apparently. Someone did point out 15 years wasn't exactly short term.

SwedishEdith · 07/02/2018 23:14

Alexander Clarkson
‏**@APHClarkson**

So to recap, a former Home Office and Downing Street special advisor known to have considerable influence over the British Prime Minister is fixated on what he believes is a secret elite cabal led by George Soros.

Alexander Clarkson
‏**@APHClarkson**

What the hell has Nick Timothy been telling Theresa May for the last 8 years?

thecatfromjapan · 07/02/2018 23:15
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thecatfromjapan · 07/02/2018 23:16

The madness continues ...

SwedishEdith · 07/02/2018 23:16

but I do think they're a bit naive when it comes to our new breed of right-wing, disaster politics politrolls.

Very. Clueless, tbh.

SwedishEdith · 07/02/2018 23:25

Alexander Clarkson
‏*@APHClarkson*
Retweeted Bea Johanssen
If Soros was that powerful the Brexiter victory would never have happened in the first place.

Easier to blame a mythical supervillain for the current fiasco Britain finds itself in rather than the incompetence of so many British politicians

mathanxiety · 08/02/2018 03:37

Nick Robinson @ bbcnickrobinson
Downing Street "announces" UK won't be in The, A or ANY customs union after Brexit

Hillary Benn @
So how does the Government plan to maintain an open border in Northern Ireland?
............

Bbc radio 4 today @ bbcr4today
"It would be utterly perverse for the EU to impose tariffs on trade between the UK and the European Union and I don't think they would be so destructive to do that," says Bernard Jenkin #r4today

David Allen Green @ davidallengreen
What do Brexiteers think "WTO rules" actually mean?

..........
It's almost as if some people are not capable of holding more than one thought in their heads at any given time. Each new thought displaces the last.