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Westministenders: KAAAAABBBOOOOOOOOMMMMM

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RedToothBrush · 30/01/2018 00:18

'Quick' Recap.

Once upon a time, despite warnings to the contrary after previously attempting to recreate a speech from the 1930s, Theresa May triggered a50.

A series of events, which included a disastrous unnecessary General Election and losing seats, ensured that we have Brexit by Timetable in which every piece of goodwill was burnt up a long time ago, and the EU decided to go "see ya then".

Only this General Election, made this politically impossible as well as practically impossible, given how this would destroy our economy.

So May did the only thing she could and agreed to lock us in with sufficient progress deal, which is legally binding, if no deal is agreed. Thus giving us in essence a choice between staying in the Single Market and Customs Union due to NI or breaking an international agreement which would destroy all our international credibility and trust.

Except none of the Brexiteers really grasped what was happening. Until this week.

In the meantime we still have had spectacles of Nadine Dorries asking on the infamous WhatsApp Group why we can't stay in the CU. Any Davis saying that he has now apparently 'changed his mind' on the matter. Not that Labour are any better, with Corbyn saying we can't stay in the Single Market and leave the EU. Except of course, Norway is in the Single Market...

Fast forward through a sex scandal that's swept through Westminster, installing self appointing the vampiric Gavin Williamson as Defence Secretary, we eventually ended up with a reshuffle which was possibly as pointless and as successful as the General Election. And Gavin Williamson is caught up in a sex scandal.

May has managed to drag the Great Repel Bill through the Commons, without breaking the party, but with much back room dealing and compromise with Remainers. Hailed as something of a victory by Brexiteers, this rather is a fools paradise. At what price to their ideological purity did this come? Is there much Brexit left? And there is much more to come in the Lords, with the LDs committed to working with Labour on securing at least 10 amendments. The two parties have a majority in the Lords if they work together.

Away from parliament we have had the glorious demise of Toby Young, who is forever to be remembered for eugenics.

As it has become apparent that we are increasingly looking like we are on track for BINO, the EU have told us, that we should have sucked up a compromise proposal earlier and now the Norway Option is off the table as we fucked that up by taking too long to disagree amongst ourselves and being arses to EU citz. I paraphrase slightly here, but that's about he long and short of it. Instead we get the pleasure of 21 months of the EU interfering in our law without representation. And we are already locked into this. Now Leavers can moan about this, and shock horror, actually be correct about it too! Transition will be up to 31st Dec 2020 at the latest. Which realistically is still too soon, not that any lying arsed Brexiteer is willing to admit to this. Yet.

The only way to get out of this proposal for better terms? Either beg the EU for something there is no way they will give us or revoke / extend a50.

The fall out from May's reshuffle is still going on in slow motion. Rees-Mogg has got a bigger platform to spout shit he knows nothing about, admit that he has never changed a nappy nor wiped his own arse, thinks women should give birth to football teams, and how he has never visited IKEA and has no plans to do so. Johnson has tried to build bridges. And effed that one up again. Gove has made us all be obsessed by plastic straws and turn into environmental maniacs because no other minister is good at press releases and media stunts. Arch Remainac Liddington, got Deputy PM and took over Brexshit even more from DExEU. Hunt is in no way after becoming PM and Greening is really pissed and when straight back to lead from the Naughty Step.

To cut the long story short: they all hate May and think she's shit

There are thought to be nearly 48 letters to trigger a leadership election in Graham Brady's hands. But not quite. And its not about the letters its about needing 159 MPs to no confidence her... but that is starting to sound more and more plausible in the face of Brexshit hitting the fan.

We now have a leaked impact assessment that we really were not supposed to see which is slightly less worse than Project Fear. But not by much. Its supposed to be by DExEU. Its been suggested that its actually by alt-DExEU aka the Cabinet Department (Robbins and Liddington).

Anyway, nothing is decided. May might zombie on forever. She won't, she's in a crowded field of Tories with stakes. But that sub-committee meeting on Wed 7th Feb is crunch time for something or someone.

Tick tock, tick tock, went the Brexit Clock.

Oh yeah and there's going to be a trade war between the US and EU. And there's some stuff about a ex-Belize diplomat. And Trump's coming to visit us.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/02/2018 10:13

Of Mogg and the assaulters - some people think that the person who threw the punch might have been part of Mogg's security team

twitter.com/peterjukes/status/960334914276286464

MsHooliesCardigan · 05/02/2018 10:23

I totally agree about JRM being dangerous and hiding behind the posh British eccentric thing just like Bojo hides his ruthless ambition behind the lovable bumbling buffoon act.
I don’t know why Moggy doesn’t go for the full monty and start wearing a monocle.

SusanWalker · 05/02/2018 10:53

I saw this on Twitter - Brexit is like giving up all your shares in a massive supermarket and setting up a tiny shop next door.

OlennasWimple · 05/02/2018 11:26

Quentin - my anecdata re JC is that there are lots of natural Labour voters who won't support the party whilst he is in charge. Perhaps these numbers are off-setting those who see JC as a decent chap with principles and would vote for him when they wouldn't normally support Labour?

BigChocFrenzy · 05/02/2018 12:49

I'm concerned that JRM and other Brexiters are deliberately setting up incidents for fake news

e.g. his double act with Steve Baker in the HoC - remember that Leave voters will just hear the origianl allegation and will refuse to consider any facts refuting it
BUT
If it is getting as far as Ultras staging attacks on themselves, then that is a huge ramp up

  • many hardline Brexit voters belong to those who feel victims of "liberal conspiracies / PC social attitudes" even before the referendum, so they would become even more paranoid and dangerous

so I hope it was just confusion in a crowd, rather than a set piece.

BigChocFrenzy · 05/02/2018 12:52

Trump and his supporters often claim to be victims too
although they are the ones with guns, the ones ramming cars into unarmed demonstrators

or in the UK, running over defenceless worshippers outside a mosque

woman11017 · 05/02/2018 13:05

deliberately setting up incidents There are more questions than answers about that 'fracas' BigChoc timing is useful though:
Curtailment of free speech: Trump visit.

SusanWalker · 05/02/2018 14:31

Yes feeling like victims is the right word. According to the American and British commentators on yahoo the immigrants (non white) are the racist ones coming over here to out breed the whites. And apparently when the humans first leaving Africa in prehistoric times is the first incidence of white flight. Their batshit crazy views reek of paranoia and defensiveness.

The comments under the JRM and civil service story mainly agree with JRM and maintain that the elite are trying to stop brexit. When brexit goes tits up it will be their fault.

Playing to these views is extremely dangerous and one of the many reasons I find JRM sinister.

I think dealing with the alt right is like trying to kill the hydra. You deal with one unfounded crazy theory and another pops up in its place.

Hasenstein · 05/02/2018 18:16

On a side note, is anyone else sick of the abuse of the word "clear"? Teresa May seems to start every sentence with "I have always been clear that ...", then goes on to obfuscate like mad. Goverment spokespeople say "The Government is very clear that ..." while announcing yet another fudge. Today, David Davis said "The UK's position (on trade talks) is perfectly clear." Well, no-one appears to have pointed out this clarity to Angela Merkel in her conversation with May, as she just kept asking "Tell us what you want".

Pure Newspeak. Clearly.

SusanWalker · 05/02/2018 18:28

God yes as soon as they say let me be clear it's obvious they're going to be anything but.

BiglyBadgers · 05/02/2018 19:11

I get the impression that they think if they just keep telling us it is clear we will eventually believe them and stop asking tiresome questions.

On a side note:
On Tuesday the PM will unveil plans to create a new offence of intimidation in public life in a speech to mark 100 years of votes for women

Interesting choice of speech to unveil this new offence considering that the suffragettes did quite a bit of what I am sure May would class as 'intimidation in public life' Hmm

mathanxiety · 05/02/2018 19:56

Wrt JR-M and his posh boy schtick - he is proof that it actually is possible to polish a turd.

SwedishEdith · 05/02/2018 20:11

Interesting.

New anti-Brexit party to be launched in UK with inspiration and help from France.

www.thelocal.fr/20180205/french-help-brits-launch-new-anti-brexit-party-inspired-by-macron

HesterThrale · 05/02/2018 20:21

Publicity for the NHS march from a surprising US source.

At least it forced Jeremy Hunt to make a statement of support for the principle of the NHS.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-42943768

SwedishEdith · 05/02/2018 20:42

Has this been shared yet? JRM's White Shirt having a bit of fun in a Nazi uniform.

skwawkbox.org/2018/02/05/excl-rees-mogg-white-shirt-partying-in-nazi-uniform/

woman11017 · 05/02/2018 21:30

Interesting demographic analysis of Labour's Remain vote; particularly working class labour remain youth in the clip in the link:

@mikegalsworthy
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New poll shows Corbyn losing huge chunk of youth support if he doesn’t go pro-EU. We’ve got the data here..

twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/960618350228353026

@J_amesp
Well, I actually just registered to see if @Renew_Britain would be interested in having me as a candidate. Things can’t go on as they are.
Shock

Notice that BBC didn't cover NHS march but did cover the golden dawn march in Athens, in theory about Macedonia. Hmm

brownelephant · 05/02/2018 21:35

how does not being in the customs unit go together with the border agreement in ireland/northern ireland? Confused

woman11017 · 05/02/2018 21:41

It doesn't brownelephant

woman11017 · 05/02/2018 21:49

Richard Leonard has said there is growing evidence Labour will “almost certainly” vote against the final Brexit deal

The Scottish Labour leader said it was becoming more and more difficult to see how the party could back any deal the UK Government secures on leaving the EU

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/labour-will-almost-certainly-reject-final-brexit-deal-36571072.html

Jamiek80 · 05/02/2018 21:50

Basically TM is so poor that the EU desperate to prevent us walking away with no deal are rubbing their hand with glee. Every time the UK give in or show desperation it’s a gift to the failing EU. They know if we walk away they are screwed they can’t beat impose penalties as this would hugely impact their largest companies and if they don’t the whole EU will collapse.

QuentinSummers · 05/02/2018 21:59

That doesn't even make sense Confused

QuentinSummers · 05/02/2018 21:59

Maybe it's a not?

QuentinSummers · 05/02/2018 21:59

Bot grr

woman11017 · 05/02/2018 22:00

It's a not.

TheElementsSong · 05/02/2018 22:08

Allow me to translate:

“Bullying! Punishment! They need us more than we need them! Don’t they know who we are? BMWs! Prosecco!”