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So Time4, what is your opinion on this? Are you happy that these opportunities are lost?

Cardinal I’m not ‘happy’ about it. Would I change my vote because of it, the answer is no.

There were 17million people that voted ‘no’ do you think none of those voters have children or grandchildren? Just think some perspective is called for.

For those in the LEAVE camp who wrongly assert that nothing can be done, well here's one FACT.

There are quite a few legal challenges underway : but the Charlie Mullins funded/ Gina Miller fronted action has succeeded.

HM government has had to put A50 through parliamentary procedure as a consequence.

There are plenty others on the go. Don't feel helpless!

Have a look at goodlawproject.org/ and www.crowdjustice.com/case/secretbrexitstudies/

The great thing is just how fast these campaigns are enacted!

I have no doubt that many of the 17 m who voted to leave have children and grandchildren. Those with children/grandchildren must, in the main want a better future for their offspring, or at least the same positive life chances they have enjoyed. In voting leave there must be a hope that the unknown future, as some leavers have described it on the Brexit Arms threads, will result in either no change or a positive change, if only eventually.

I too have children and want better life chances for them than I have enjoyed. That is now less likely as a result of the vote to leave as my children will not be able to do as I have done, as leaving the EU will remove the opportunities I have taken. The unknown future, with an unknown timeframe means that my late teens/early twenties children will be in limbo in the sense that what the UK may settle in to is unclear. Whilst we cannot precisely read the future we can reasonably plan to achieve our goals. Without any sense of what the UK position will be economically and politically for the foreseeable future that reasonable chance to make decisions as steps to a achieve one's career etc goals is somewhat more precarious. That is not the future I had hoped for.

That is my perspective. I wonder how those who voted leave with children my age see their own children's future.

@FaithHopeCharityDesperation
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"Just as you are projecting yours."

Au contraire mon amie ! You're projecting your opinion as though it were the opinion of a mass of other (young) people. Which is clearly a falsehood and a fabrication.

HTHBISDI.

So Time4, you're not happy about that aspect of what will happen due to Brexit. You are, however, still trying to minimise the fact that it will reduce the opportunities of those who may have wanted to use that facility. At least you're starting to realise that your vote will have negative consequences. Maybe when you realise the pain and destruction you have wrought on many people you will begin to learn compassion.

I don't live in London. I'm not rich. I don't know anyone who studied in Europe 30 years ago but in the last 10 years the numbers were creeping up. In the last 5 years I have friends whose children, live, work and study throughout Europe.

Brexit has halted all that potential. Just because you don't know anyone studying in Europe now why kill that opportunity for future generations? Study abroad will be possible for the wealthy and the well informed but the possibility of making it normal for the wider population is stopped in its tracks.

You obviously don't give a 'rats ass'(sic) about education.

Don't I?
Why do you think this abilockheart?

Yet more foundationless hyperbole?

Olivia - why do you keep writing "imiagrunts"?

What's the purpose of this?

Faith if you object to "foundationless hyperbole" give us some foundation.

I think the opportunity to study abroad with ease is massively important. Not everyone will take the offer up but as it becomes more common everyone connected would benefit. Students would bring back ideas and perspectives that would enrich our society. Brexit will make this significantly more difficult and I think removing the ease of study abroad is denying opportunity for those who go and everyone connected to them.

Why do you think removing the ease of education abroad is a good thing? Give us a foundation to comment on.

Mousse, please direct me to where I said "removing the ease of education abroad is a good thing".

I cannot answer a question which is based on an assertion which I did not make.

Faith if you object to "foundationless hyperbole" give us some foundation.

To be clear - a poster makes an arbitrary statement about me, and you wish me to provide a foundation for the wilfully inaccurate assertion so that you can then argue with me?

Bizarre.

please direct me to where I said "removing the ease of education abroad is a good thing".
Well, you voted for it, Faith...

@FaithHopeCharityDesperation

Because Brexit is a fundamentally racist project, driven by the extreme right and a fear of immigration which Little England responds well to.

As such it is ignorant and deserves mockery.

Immigration - control our borders! - was and still is the main driver of Brexit for most.

Ipsos MORI survey data on which issues Britons felt to be 'important issues facing Britain today' shows that immediately prior to the vote, more people cited both the EU (32%) and migration (48%) as important issues than cited the economy (27%).

Like it or not,, the Empire is over and these past few decades Britain's power, both political and economic, has come from its special role of the primary English gateway to the EU/EEA. We have ascended from the pitiful status of the sick man of Europe to that of one of the main forces within the bloc.

Amazingly enough a tiny majority managed to clinch the referendum to relinquish all this power for no clear benefit and with no clear plan of how to execute this humiliating act of self-diminution.

We need another referendum before we take the final step off the cliff. Farage is right for once.

Faith you didn't say it but as has already been pointed out you voted for it. You support Brexit and Brexit will inevitably lead to study in Europe being more difficult.

If my assertion is "will fully inaccurate" please could you explain how you support both Brexit and ease of educational opportunity in Europe.

I live in hope that one day there will be a thread where remoaners don't invoke Racist! and The Empire! when discussing Brexit.

Mousse, it was wilfully inaccurate because I did not say it.

There is no 'if' about it.

I live in hope that one day Brexitiers will answer a question.

Ease of education in Europe is diminished significantly by Brexit. I think that is a bad thing do you?

Faith that's why I said "you didn't say it" because i know you didn't say it. You didn't say it. I fully admit you didn't say it.

But you did vote for it!

I voted for brexit mousse, yes.

@Moussemoose

Congrats! You got an answer to a question!!!

Most students studying in Europe are doing language courses as my sister did 40 years ago and my step daughter did 20 years ago. Can't think there was any real problem for either of them going to France.
Now I have a nephew studying in Australia, he could have gone to China. Another Nephew got a scholarship to go to New Zealand. My stepson spent a summer working in the US and so did my Step daughter. I think from my experience you are all making far too much of the idea that it will all be dome and disaster. No one I know has ever had much problem studying abroad be it in the EU or anywhere else.