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Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again. A Big Battle Looms.

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RedToothBrush · 12/11/2017 13:56

Today has seen the publication of a story about how Johnson and Gove are holding May hostage in a ‘soft coup’ and have made various demands over what they want for a hard Brexit. The letter which was for May’s and Barwell’s eyes only has some how leaked. Don’t forget how Gove has just joined the Brexit Cabinet.

It comes at a time, when the Observer is also leading with an editorial demanding Johnson goes over his handling of the Nazarin Zagheri-Ratcliffe case as well as his long list of poorly judged comments which have had diplomatic consequences and another newspaper is leading with a story about how 40 Tories are ready to no-confidence May.

It all smacks of a personal battle between May and Johnson to govern the party, which has been playing out publicly for some time, most noticeable in the parallel Tory party conference leadership speeches and Johnson’s freelancing.

Johnson also seems to be potentially caught up, with what happens in the Mueller investigation due to a photo and lying about having met Misfud which could be politically damaging.

Priti Patel’s –sacking-- resignation also fits in neatly with the story. The Foreign Office were not informed and there is the curious side story that May DID know various details but told Patel to keep quiet, so not to embarrass the FCO. Or more to the point, be seen to be undermining Johnson.

Whether this is true or not we don’t know. It does have implications if its true, but it also says something if its not too. Why leak the story at all? Once again its about the Johnson v May dynamic.

As it stands, if Gove and Johnson have been leading May then why would they decide to ditch her and go for power without her?
Notably Gove has the best satisfaction scores of the Cabinet amongst Tories on Conservative Home too. He has had a lot of favourable comments over his statements over pesticides. The pair seem to have put differences aside and are working together. And May has become more and more of a liability. Johnson, also came second favourite to be Tory leader amongst Tories (if you discount don’t knows and none of the aboves). Maybe they fancy their chances…

Or it’s a last ditch attempt to cling on to that power as threats that Johnson might finally get the boot – if Zagheri-Ratcliffe does have her sentence extended and Johnson’s position is no longer tenable for even May’s self-preservation. Whilst much has been framed about it being about May’s political survival, its definitely not just her whose future is in doubt. Who was the ‘dead wood’, that young Tories demanded be ditched in a reshuffle to bring in young blood? Either way, Gove has firmly hitched his wagon to Johnson's effectively repeating Johnson's dismissal of Zagheri-Ratcliffe's case.

Anyway another week and another set of high political drama is a foregone conclusion.

A round up of other developments this week:

Tory Party / Government

  1. May announces intention to enshrine Brexit leaving date in law to force rebels to tow the line. This has many implications, not least tax related and putting more pressure on the UK government. It’s generally regarded as a desperate move by anyone sane.
  2. The Impact Assessments were a dogs dinner that was done at the last minute, and were not worth the paper they were written on. There was no detail to them.
  3. Priti Patel’s –sacking—resignation after having undocumented and unauthorised meetings with a series of Israel ministers. And then lying about it.
  4. Penny Mordaunt, who lied about the UK not having a veto to stop Turkey joining the EU, replaced Patel.
  5. Damien Green Porn. Another ex-policeman is backing the story that it was found on his computer despite Green’s denials.
  6. The ongoing Zagheri-Ratcliffe story with Iran and Johnson’s gaff and none apology
  7. Photograph of Johnson with ‘The Professor’ Misfud has been found. This links Johnson to how events in the US might pan out. If there are lots more revelations in the Mueller inquiry about him, then that might reflect on Johnson and make him subject to some difficult questions. Politically this might be problematic for Johnson.
  8. Claims that the whips office leaked the name of someone who reported allegations against Nigel Evans which occurred 6 months after Evans had been cleared of rape and the sexual assault of six men
  9. Suspended Tory MP Charlie Elphicke has complained that he is yet to be informed of what he has been accused of.
  10. Young Tory MPs issue threat to May that she brings in young blood and gets rid of ‘dead wood, who do nothing but screw up’. Give her until the New Year to do so.
  11. 40 Tories apparently ready to no confidence May.
  12. Lord Ashcroft’s latest poll reveals a very small percentage of people want a no deal situation despite all the noise of it being a good idea.
  13. Lord Ashcroft mentioned in the Paradise papers. Reported as domiciled in Belize despite assurances given to parliament that he would give up his non-dom status and pay tax in the UK as a Lord.

Parliament / Opposition both inside and outside parliament
14) May facing a possible revolt over Universal Credit. MPs due to vote on reducing wait times.
15) Talk that there are enough Tory Rebels prepared to back a Dominic Grieve amendment to force a meaningful vote on the Brexit Deal.
16) May under increasing pressure from business leaders to make a deal after a meeting with them at no. 10.
17) Lots of distraction in the Paradise Papers generally which raises the question over the power and influence of the super rich versus the poor. This plays well to Labour’s narrative and against the idea of a low tax post Brexit Britain.
18) Lord Kerr, author of the a50 clause states that May has misled the public and insists that it is reversible.
19) New Money Laundering and Sanctions Bill in the Lords. Government looking to omit 4th EU directive on tax avoidance. Naturally raises questions about whether UK would adopt new rules due to come into force the week after Brexit Day.
20) Money Laundering Bill also has lots of overlap with immigration and home office operations, raising some rather sinister questions over who could be affected and why. Potential for abuse seems to be huge.
21) Leave leaning Cornwall and Grimsby seeking special status in the face of Brexit – in line with remaining to preserve business / economic interests
22) Suicide of Welsh Assembly Labour member who was under investigation for sexual harassment
23) A Labour MP accuses the already suspended fellow Labour MP Kelvin Hopkins of inappropriate behaviour.

EU
24) Ireland demands the UK stays in the customs union.
25) Brexit talks have not progressed at all despite apparently being speeded up. Barnier saying that progress in December only possible if UK makes moves on the settlement deal. Prospect of stage two being delayed until March being raised. This leaves just 7 months to come to a deal, which plays to the No Deal Crowd’s interests.
26) EU believe the UK are not working in the best interests of the UK and there is a failure by May and Davis to understand the process or what No Deal will mean.
27) EU signalling that there is no bespoke transition. Only available options ae EEA or EFTA fudges.
28) Increasing view in Brussels that No Deal likely. EU think May hasn’t got the authority to come to a deal and its easier for her to drag UK off the cliff. Though they have doubts she will survive much longer.

World
29) Trump sides with Putin above the US Intelligence Community over the Russian election interference. On Veterans Day.
30) US’s Wilbur Ross said UK will have to dump European food safety standards and that losing our passporting rights to the EU would harm our interests with the US.
31) Developments in Lebanon, with it being said that Saudi Arabia said to have declared war. Many would consider this to be a proxy war against Iran. Crown Prince has purged political opponents including several with significant Wall Street interests. Eight died in a helicopter crash.
32) Large scale far right march in Poland as part of their Independence Day.

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SwedishEdith · 15/11/2017 19:13

It should be reported to the police. I hope it has (and I'm not just assuming someone else has done it). After all, Steven Woolfe claims he reported the New European's (admittedly stupid) cartoons to the police. He was doing it for political point-scoring. But Russia doesn't like journalists, particularly female ones, asking questions. I hope the Guardian are paying for security for her.

Melassa · 15/11/2017 19:22

In the wake of what happened to Jo Cox you'd have thought the police would be hot on this. Is there not an email for the Met one can forward it onto? Is it even their jurisdiction seeing as all the proponents of Leave EU appear to be foreign or non resident?

SwedishEdith · 15/11/2017 19:38

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 15/11/2017 19:42

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Closest vote yet - Opposition amendment on emp rights defeated by 12 votes 299-311 -majority shrinking by 4 per division - seems more rebels

Or it might what I identified this morning - Labour leavers not rebelling on these amendments

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2017 19:55

The Remaining Two Labour Rebels Yesterday:

Graham Stringer.
And yes, you can guess it on the first attempt.

On the votes yesterday there was only one Con rebel. Ken. The other Mutineers all did vote with the Government.

Today, Stringer and Hoey voted with their whip.

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RedToothBrush · 15/11/2017 19:57

In effect this means there are no new rebels. Only Ken is actually rebelling. And Labour are behaving at the moment too.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 15/11/2017 19:57

Nicky Morgan MP
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So the Daily Mail is now calling round our constituencies & local parties asking how we represent our constituents - of course not interested when response is supportive & entirely missing the point that we were all elected or re-elected just 5 months ago #AntiBullyingWeek

DrivenToDespair · 15/11/2017 20:00

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woman11017 · 15/11/2017 20:04

@IanDunt
Brexiters are picketing my talk in Bath.

Alastair Campbell Retweeted Laura Shields
Those bloody Europeans! Coming over here and trying to help British business

@mediawhizz
Well this is awkward: Brussels vows to fight US on behalf of UK in Bombardier tariff row www.ft.com/content/3f9b3daa-ca1b-11e7-ab18-7a9fb7d6163e … via @FT #stopbrexit

Threatening Leave UK post is still up. Sad Thanks for the met contacts, swedish .

BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2017 20:30

MAJOR issue: Type Approvals for UK manufacturers

In the EU Withdrawal Bill, the govt has undertaken to re-enact EU law.
That should mean the UK will unilaterally accept EU-issued Type Approvals.
BUT the UK govt & Parliament cannot legislate to order the EU to recognise UK-issued Type Approvals.

http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/business-energy-and-industrial-strategy-committee/leaving-the-eu-implications-for-the-automotive-industry/written/71638.pdf

".... However, this issue is time critical as without certainty soon, manufacturers will need to mitigate risk and move their existing VCA approvals to another Member State – we have been informally informed by a number of manufacturers that this decision will need to be taken before the end of 2017...".

Also in RNorth's blog today:
http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86670

If the UK leaves the Single market, then all its Type Approval become invalid.
This would seriously affect vehicle manufacturers, also pharmaceutical / chemical industry.

For motor vehicles, new Type Approval would be needed for manufacturers to sell new models, possibly even to sell current models that have already received Type Approval – the latter is unknown.

Mike Hawes (Chief Executive, Society for Motor Manufacturers and Traders) told the HoC Business Committee that manufacturers could not apply for Type Approval while actually manufacturing the model, so they would have to cease production while they re-applied.

Moreover, if the manufacturer wants to re-apply (before Brexit day one assumes), then it must give up the approvals it already holds.
Without approvals, he says, they would have to cease production

56 % of UK manufactured vehicles are exported to the E27, so suddenly losing that amount of sales could make the enitire UK motor industry uneconomical.
Risk of savage job cuts and some firms even completely pulling out of the UK.

mathanxiety · 15/11/2017 20:31

On the topic of motivation to troll the referendum - the US has a stronger motivation than Russia.

Where will the UK turn for trade and investment once outside the EU? The US has been spoken of from the start as a future trading partner, once the UK is unshackled from the bothersome rules and regulations 'imposed' by the 'faceless bureaucrats' in Brussels.

On the US side, a population of 60+ million English speakers is a nice market and the cherry on the cake is the fact that it will be desperate for investment and cheap chicken and other dodgy food products, will not be able to afford the NHS so that will be replaced by for-profit healthcare systems of which the US has plenty all looking to expand, along with all the health insurance products US companies would like to sell.

The US has seen Europe getting rather uppity in recent years, with talk of increased political and economic unity, and also hints of a EU armed force - where does that leave NATO?

Arguably the strongest European ally of the US outside of the UK is Poland. It was supposed to be the site of a controversial missile interceptor system (that was eventually canceled by Obama, but a system smaller in scope was built). Poland was the second country visited by Donald Trump after his election. Polish society is very conservative and the current Polish government government is right authoritarian - exactly the GOP's cup of tea. Polish right wing street elements have much in common with the sort of people who marched with tiki torches in Charlottesville. There is a large blue collar Polish population in the US that tends to be right of centre and pro life in its politics, and more attracted to 'third party' or non mainstream candidates; big Polish population centres are found in swing states. They are as opposed to Russia as they are to Muslims. Donald Tusk notwithstanding, Poland is fast headed toward pariah status within the EU as a result of domestic policy, particularly in the justice system and wrt rights of women.

Long term, I can actually see Poland being worked on to ditch the EU some time in the next ten years, maybe with the carrot of visa-free entry to the US for Polish nationals and US investment in Poland dangled as a reward.

The EU is a barrier to complete American economic (and potentially political) hegemony in the west. It is in the interests of US big business to put wedges between member states and apply pressure.

SwedishEdith · 15/11/2017 20:33

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The House of Commons votes against New Clause 58 to the #EUWithdrawalBill by 311 to 299.

This clause was to ensure after exit day, EU derived rights relating to consumer standards, employment & more, can only be amended by primary legislation or legislation made under this Act.

SwedishEdith · 15/11/2017 20:36

Ken Clarke is still only real rebel.

woman11017 · 15/11/2017 20:43

EU derived rights relating to consumer standards, employment & more, can only be amended by primary legislation or legislation made under this Act.
Hundreds of years worth of rights.
Millions of people worked for them.
And they're being stolen from us.
There were trades unions to defend us in the 1960s-70s.
There was the EU in the 80s onwards.
We're fucked folks.

mrsreynolds · 15/11/2017 20:45

Christ....

mathanxiety · 15/11/2017 20:51

Olennas - the premise of the Guardian article that you linked - that it behoves Theresa May to make the politicians of NI start working together in the NI Assembly - is thoroughly flawed.

The instant the bribe of the DUP was announced, the NI Assembly became redundant. It was Theresa May who fatally corroded the NI political process, and of course her supporters the DUP rubbed their grubby hands together in glee as it happened. The DUP does not need the NI Assembly while it plays the role of the tail that wags the Westminster dog.
While professing to want self-government restored, the Democratic Unionist Party is sitting pretty dictating to the Tories in their quasi-coalition. Well DUH...

To get the NI Assembly up and running again, Theresa May would have to repudiate the alliance with the DUP and would have to force them to stop playing games wrt the status of the Irish language. I can't see that happening, even though TM surely knows that the DUP has nowhere else to go with their schtick. Thinking things all the way through is not TM's strong point, sadly.

The Good Friday Agreement's architecture was meant to ensure that no side could dictate to the other: each community’s interest would be protected. This goal was swept away as soon as the ink met the paper on the day the support of the DUP was bought. The mutual veto that has developed within the Assembly that Peter Hain complains about was rendered irrelevant with the arrival of the DUP-Tory alliance.

There is no political vacuum in NI. Each of the main parties is firmly in control of its agenda, unlike the main parties in Westminster.

What the article illustrates in spades is the amount of cognitive dissonance that exists in official UK circles when it comes to NI. Peter Hain is a former NI Sec of State. I am surprised at how threadbare this article is.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2017 21:04

FOM for the UK privileged, not the plebs

Those left behinds who voted Brexit to spite the mc have only managed to lose their own FOM.
It was always expected that FOM for UK mobile mc professionals would continue.
DD's problem is that far fewer would want to travel to the UK, with the Home Office aim of making the UK a hostile place for furrin.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/11/15/jp-morgan-begins-telling-uk-staff-relocated-eu/

In a private meeting hosted by Swiss bank UBS yesterday, Brexit secretary David Davis said he was committed to getting a swift deal on a transition period by January < in lala land >
and mooted special travel rules to enable professional services workers to move between the UK and EU.

Mightybanhammer · 15/11/2017 21:32

So what does that mean in practice? Nothing good but has anyone expertise in constitutional law relating to this?
Thanks Big Choc for highlighting the car trade stuff on here.

Mightybanhammer · 15/11/2017 21:32

I was referring to yesterday's vote

BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2017 22:41

Raging Trump demands FBI investigate Clinton, uranium – anything but Russia Grin

< move on, nothing to see - and some people in the UK think likewise >

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/03/trump-fbi-clinton-russia-donna-brazile

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2017 22:42

Faisal Islam‏ @faisalislam
Banks warned by European Central Bank to shift “substance” out of UK to EU not just “empty shells or letter boxes”.
www.bankingsupervision.europa.eu/press/publications/newsletter/2017/html/ssm.nl171115_2.en.html
“some elements in a number of banks’ plans do not fully meet the ECB’s expectations and requirements of banks operating in the euro area”
Europe playing hardball over bank jobs - already annoyed enough at a non-euro member being the euro's financial hub, let alone non-EU
ECB have time this exactly for the moment when foreign banks in the City are about to activate contingency plans...

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BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2017 22:49

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/07/trump-russia-steele-dossier-moscow

Read the facebook section, especially
Evidence of Russian involvement in Trump's election is mounting
Their dark social media campaign can almost certainly influence only a few % of the population - but in many Western democracies, including the UK and US, those small % swings can be crucial

BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2017 22:53

"As the Tory Brexit fight club slugs it out, do they even care about Ireland?"

< clearly not, but that shouldn't be news to anyone >

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/14/tory-brexit-fight-club-ireland-british-peace-europe

BigChocFrenzy · 15/11/2017 23:02

Priti Patel's first comment in the HoC - from the backbenches - since her resignation:

"I don’t think we should listen to, really, those that simply do not have the confidence in this House, in our democracy and also in our country going forward, along with the suggestions that we are incapable of governing ourselves.
Fundamentally, we should be rejecting that.”

In other words, squash dissent, even in the HoC
Maybe criticism Brexit will simply be outlawed in Henry VIII part 2 ?
The govt will really need this law after March 2019

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 15/11/2017 23:14

Matt Chorley
@MattChorley
EXC: Michael Gove faces a backlash from senior Tories who have accused him of using cabinet meetings to “audition” to be the next chancellor.

Westministenders: The Tory Civil War – The Knives Are Out Again.  A Big Battle Looms.