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Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'

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RedToothBrush · 17/10/2017 18:09

Phil Hammond called the EU the enemy. Then retracted it. A classic political move, to pitch to one group and then say you didn't mean it after all.

This is the UK's negotiation strategy. Because the negotiation isn't really with the EU. Its the ongoing debate over the what leaving the EU actually means since it wasn't officially defined prior to the referendum and has been left to politicians to say its one thing to persuade people to support them and then decided no that's not really what they meant after all.

The whole thing makes it impossible for the EU to respond to us, because we don't appear to know what we want.

The EU have been explicit in their position. So things they can not do because of the limitations of trade rules and EU law. Its possible work arounds could be possible for some things - but certainly not all which too many Brexiteers fail to acknowledge.

And then there is the a50 deadline which is like a snake coiled around May's neck slowly strangling her. A self imposed screwing of our negotiating position. One that kills off our Brexit options and ups the stakes into a brinkmanship battle - not with the EU but between the hardlines and the sane. Its not even about remaining, though that option might well end up being the only option left on the table through our own folly, rather than out of EU malice.

The longer we take to work out what we want the higher the stake become and the more we destroy the foundations of our economy in the meantime, even if we do stay in.

We have only just noticed that we've lost money worth 25% of our GDP and we have no net assets anymore, when in early 2016 we had significant assets. Project Fear they said was wrong. Well was it?

We are flat broke as a nation.

Then there is the Great Repel Bill. The Bill was supposed to be in the Commons this week. It was delayed a week due to the sheer number of amendments. There are nearly a dozen with enough Tory rebels to make them stick. Including one for parliament to have a meaningful vote on what option we take - including no deal. If parliament rejected this, we would be left in a situation where we sure as hell better hope a50 is reversible or we could end up unlawfully leave the EU by accident!

And the Lords could be fun for the Repel Bill. The Labour whip has vowed to examine every amendment properly even if the commons don't. And they are free and within their rights to do so.

Still May could exit stage left. Or left with egg all over her face as she has to suck up to the 'enemy' for being such a tool for the last 18months, because she hasn't made progress on the negotiations that really matter. The Tory party ones.

Whichever way you cut it, you can be sure on only one thing: it will go to the wire for both. And possibly beyond with an eleventh hour extension to prevent chaos.

There are hints that the public mood might be changing. Not fast enough. Yet. Interest rates? A break in the triple lock? Phil's budget sure will be interesting. Especially as Brexiteers want money to prepare and protect us from a no deal scenario which they also tell us will be just fine and won't be a problem. Bye Bye NHS, don't get flu this winter. As a note once infamously said: 'There's no many left'.

We are Greece. Only worse. And out of pressure and deadlines we alone created. We just haven't realised it. Yet.

And if this doesn't make you cringe and brace yourself in horror:

Danny Kemp‏ @dannyctkemp
May wants to take the floor at EU summit dinner on Thursday to explain Brexit policy to fellow leaders, senior official says

Just remember her party speech and think: What could possibly go wrong...

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HashiAsLarry · 18/10/2017 14:17

There will be no hard border. Just a highly militarized one that is no way hard. Pay no attention to the man ebbing the curtain.

woman11017 · 18/10/2017 14:17

A woman with no resources is a woman who can’t leave: why universal credit is a feminist issue
www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2017/10/woman-no-resources-woman-who-can-t-leave-why-universal-credit-feminist-issue

Women voters a bit of an issue for tories? David Gauke isn't doing very well today, either. ( He already is in very bad books of WASPi women)

He has just now confused, yet again, the difference between learning difficulties and mental illness in the HOC debate. Hmm

HashiAsLarry · 18/10/2017 14:20

Thanks autocorrect Hmm

Behind The curtain.

This is where Britains true friends should be holding us back shouting "they're not worth it UK !"
The thing is, like the bloke who goes on the lash just to find a fight, the UK are going to find out they have relatively few friends. And those they have are just steroptypical pub nutters with no understanding of loyalty.

LurkingHusband · 18/10/2017 14:28

The thing is, like the bloke who goes on the lash just to find a fight, the UK are going to find out they have relatively few friends. And those they have are just steroptypical pub nutters with no understanding of loyalty.

If you believe in fate, there's a thread (or there was Smile) in "Relationships" where a lady admits she was only with her husband for his money, and now he's lost "millions", she doesn't find him attractive.

If that thread is a subtle recasting of current events, I'd love to take credit for it (I'll stick to the poetry Smile), but it's a timely pointed that no-one will want to be a poor post-Brexit UKs friend, and we will discover people were only pretending to like us because we had some money (and were in the EU).

RedToothBrush · 18/10/2017 15:08

Faisal Islam@faisalislam

Well... @JohnJCrace has managed to fill an entire book:

Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'
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RedToothBrush · 18/10/2017 15:10

Beth Rigby‏*@BethRigby*

NEW: Told by sources that the govt has called a three line whip to abstain on the #UniversalCredit vote

Three line whip to abstain!

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LurkingHusband · 18/10/2017 15:18

three line whip

The only occasion that phrase has been used in a pop song, to my knowledge is in one written by Sting in the early 80s and appeared on the album "Ghost in the Machine" (passing Koestler reference there).

It was called Demolition Man Hmm

Badders08 · 18/10/2017 15:28

Reply from bbc:

Thank you for contacting the BBC.

I understand you felt there was a lack of coverage of anti-Brexit rallies across the UK.

Many marches and protests take place in London and other UK cities - we do not cover them all routinely. Instead, we consider each protest on a case by case basis and take into consideration the wider context of the story at hand.

We have covered numerous anti-Brexit marches in the past and example of recent reporting can be found by following the link below:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41212505

Impartiality is a core value of the BBC, and one reason why we believe our news coverage is trusted and respected around the world. We apply this principle to our reporting of all issues. BBC News never takes a position on anything that we cover, but we always aim to reflect a broad range of voices on any given subject.

We do appreciate your feedback on this issue and as such I have sent your complaint directly to senior management as well as the BBC News teams via our Audience Feedback Report. This report is among the most widely read sources of feedback in the BBC and can help inform decisions about future reporting.

Once again thank you for taking the time to contact us.

Kind regards

Craig Osborne

BBC Complaints Team

www.bbc.co.uk/complaints

LurkingHusband · 18/10/2017 15:30

Warning - NSFW !!!!

twitter.com/i/web/status/920265786001944582

Shock

no better, or worse than 18th century pamphleteering ?

LurkingHusband · 18/10/2017 15:32

Impartiality is a core value of the BBC, and one reason why we believe our news coverage is trusted and respected around the world

My DBs colleagues have the BBC as a go to news source in the US.

OlennasWimple · 18/10/2017 15:43

Badders - great example of a non-reply reply there from the Beeb

So the army will be manning the border (presumably because the border service has been cut and cut as part of austerity measures)? The same army that has itself been subject to austerity measures and has been steadily shrinking? Maybe they mean that reservists will be manning the border - I didn't realise that "taking back control" meant "going back to Dad's Army"...

Meanwhile, maybe we should follow the lead of the NEtherlands and plan to get rid of cars altogether rather than pretending that we are going to all start driving a Lotus

LurkingHusband · 18/10/2017 16:03

Badders - great example of a non-reply reply there from the Beeb

It seems they at least picked up what the complaint was about.

Most "replies" refer to "your complaint" ...

Dear

I am sorry to hear that you were unhappy following your recent visit to our store at . I would like to assure you that at we take our customers satisfaction very seriously, and apologise that you were unhappy in this instance.

We would like you to know that we will look into this matter as quickly as possible, and undertake to correct any deficiencies that might be uncovered.

Yours sincerely

Badders08 · 18/10/2017 16:11

It was more than I expected nth

LurkingHusband · 18/10/2017 16:26

It was more than I expected nth

CBA right now, but it's less than the amount of effort they put into me complaining about "Mock the Week" being bumped for Wimbledon a few years back. Suggesting more people watch sport that give a toss about Brexit ?

RedToothBrush · 18/10/2017 16:31

Bregrets.... We've had a few...

Here's another:

Tim Neale‏*@timjn1*
No love for the EU Institutions, but Leavers like me need to accept #Brexit isn’t going well and has potential for catastrophe.
‘It’ll be alright on the night’ won’t wash. Entire sectors and millions of livelihoods are at stake.
No one who loses their job will give a monkeys about the ECJ and the budget. This is obvious but apparently escapes some Leavers.
Unless there’s a dramatic change of course - EEA/SM/CU/Euratom, no one with a grasp of reality can continue to support Leave.
Anyone who wants something in politics ‘at any cost’ may as well just join the Taliban. Too many Leavers are sounding like that.
So I’m out. I cannot support destroying an economy we’ve spent 40 years building.

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RedToothBrush · 18/10/2017 16:35

From the OP:

Danny Kemp‏ @dannyctkemp
May wants to take the floor at EU summit dinner on Thursday to explain Brexit policy to fellow leaders, senior official says

Just remember her party speech and think: What could possibly go wrong...

Laura Kuenssberg‏ @bbclaurak
1. File under couldn't make it up.....
2. EU summit building deemed unfit for summit tomorrow because of toxic fumes leaking from the drains
3. Summit in new expensive building has to move back next door to less glamorous older building

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LurkingHusband · 18/10/2017 17:07

Tim Neale‏*@timjn1*

deserves a cake for managing to be so succinct. Especially since they are a Leaver.

One possible future will be the attempted Brexit being picked apart for centuries, with the expert (i.e. marks awarded for) analysis being it was woefully ill prepared. No mention will ever be made that this was repeated pointed out before the referendum. (see also: WW2)

Kofa · 18/10/2017 17:24

@Telegraph
Army could be deployed to protect the border if Britain leaves the EU without a Brexit deal

How on earth does anyone think that this is going to be ok? Have we learned nothing? Shock

woman11017 · 18/10/2017 17:31

More on the bad smell at May's speech:

^EU summit moved from €320m 'space egg' HQ over kitchen fumes
Second incident in five days forces last-minute change of venue for meeting of 28 heads of state and government in Brussels^

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/18/eu-summit-moved-from-320m-space-egg-hq-over-kitchen-fumes

Is there a rat in the kitchen? For the Brummie westminstenders, LH Smile

GaspodeWonderCat · 18/10/2017 17:36

Accessing NHS dentist - IT errors (surely not) - if you try to claim free treatment - fines of £100. From the BBC: www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-41639456

The checks have an important role in making sure free treatment isn't being unfairly accessed by those who should pay.
The screening system compares what people have put on forms at the dentist against two databases of information about benefits and entitlements - and if these do not match, the fining system generates a penalty notice.
The most recent figures suggest almost 120,000 fines have been issued over the past three years.
But the British Dental Association says when 30,000 of these fines were checked, almost 90% were overturned, suggesting the scale of the error in the system.

90% overturned when checked - the system is not working.

And another thing - 55p a minute to phone Universal Credit helpline (!). Because, obviously if people can phone for free they will just spend all day chatting to their 'nice' advisers...
Goes back under the duvet into my safe place ....

prettybird · 18/10/2017 17:36

Damn the EU and its transparency secrecy Wink: Tusk's notes on the agenda for the upcoming summit

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2017/10/17-tusk-invitation-letter-euco/

....in which he tells us that Prime Minister Ratas will update them in the discussions for relocating the EU agencies currently located in the UK, commends them for the unity that has been shown to date and that this needs to be maintained in a world of increasing globalisation, increasing external threats, to limit the damage caused by Brexit "as well as to preserve the rules-based international order in these difficult times"

Doesn't sound like he got the memo about accelerating the Brexit negotiations! Wink

woman11017 · 18/10/2017 17:44

Petition to cancel 'brexit':
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200952

Bearbehind · 18/10/2017 17:46

in which he tells us that Prime Minister Ratas will update them in the discussions for relocating the EU agencies currently located in the UK

That really is a shot across the bows.

When will we wake up to the reality that the EU aren't sitting back and praying we stay.

They aren't doing sod all about the practicalities of leaving like us.

They are proactively making plans to manage very nicely without us.

woman11017 · 18/10/2017 17:47

GaspodeWonderCat saw that the sick, disabled and mentally impaired were worst hit by those fines. Angry
Annoying when Tusk does his job properly, prettybird

Badders08 · 18/10/2017 17:48

Signed and shared woman