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Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'

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RedToothBrush · 17/10/2017 18:09

Phil Hammond called the EU the enemy. Then retracted it. A classic political move, to pitch to one group and then say you didn't mean it after all.

This is the UK's negotiation strategy. Because the negotiation isn't really with the EU. Its the ongoing debate over the what leaving the EU actually means since it wasn't officially defined prior to the referendum and has been left to politicians to say its one thing to persuade people to support them and then decided no that's not really what they meant after all.

The whole thing makes it impossible for the EU to respond to us, because we don't appear to know what we want.

The EU have been explicit in their position. So things they can not do because of the limitations of trade rules and EU law. Its possible work arounds could be possible for some things - but certainly not all which too many Brexiteers fail to acknowledge.

And then there is the a50 deadline which is like a snake coiled around May's neck slowly strangling her. A self imposed screwing of our negotiating position. One that kills off our Brexit options and ups the stakes into a brinkmanship battle - not with the EU but between the hardlines and the sane. Its not even about remaining, though that option might well end up being the only option left on the table through our own folly, rather than out of EU malice.

The longer we take to work out what we want the higher the stake become and the more we destroy the foundations of our economy in the meantime, even if we do stay in.

We have only just noticed that we've lost money worth 25% of our GDP and we have no net assets anymore, when in early 2016 we had significant assets. Project Fear they said was wrong. Well was it?

We are flat broke as a nation.

Then there is the Great Repel Bill. The Bill was supposed to be in the Commons this week. It was delayed a week due to the sheer number of amendments. There are nearly a dozen with enough Tory rebels to make them stick. Including one for parliament to have a meaningful vote on what option we take - including no deal. If parliament rejected this, we would be left in a situation where we sure as hell better hope a50 is reversible or we could end up unlawfully leave the EU by accident!

And the Lords could be fun for the Repel Bill. The Labour whip has vowed to examine every amendment properly even if the commons don't. And they are free and within their rights to do so.

Still May could exit stage left. Or left with egg all over her face as she has to suck up to the 'enemy' for being such a tool for the last 18months, because she hasn't made progress on the negotiations that really matter. The Tory party ones.

Whichever way you cut it, you can be sure on only one thing: it will go to the wire for both. And possibly beyond with an eleventh hour extension to prevent chaos.

There are hints that the public mood might be changing. Not fast enough. Yet. Interest rates? A break in the triple lock? Phil's budget sure will be interesting. Especially as Brexiteers want money to prepare and protect us from a no deal scenario which they also tell us will be just fine and won't be a problem. Bye Bye NHS, don't get flu this winter. As a note once infamously said: 'There's no many left'.

We are Greece. Only worse. And out of pressure and deadlines we alone created. We just haven't realised it. Yet.

And if this doesn't make you cringe and brace yourself in horror:

Danny Kemp‏ @dannyctkemp
May wants to take the floor at EU summit dinner on Thursday to explain Brexit policy to fellow leaders, senior official says

Just remember her party speech and think: What could possibly go wrong...

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woman11017 · 18/10/2017 18:00
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LurkingHusband · 18/10/2017 18:16

Is there a rat in the kitchen? For the Brummie westminstenders, LH

Certainly Food For Thought, I'd say ....

LurkingHusband · 18/10/2017 18:17

oh, p.s.

(channels Malcolm Tucker in "In The Loop") Never, ever, call me a Brummie again

woman11017 · 18/10/2017 18:18
Grin
LurkingHusband · 18/10/2017 18:28

p.p.s I never moinded beying cauled a Brummie uhntil affter Juyne 23rd lahst yeahr ...

Badders08 · 18/10/2017 18:29

Alllllriiight bab?
😁

LurkingHusband · 18/10/2017 18:29

Go play up your own end.

pointythings · 18/10/2017 18:35

What I love bout Universal Credit Hmm is the way the government trumpets that 'it's working fine, 805 of claimants get their money correctly and in time'. If we had those sorts of success rates anywhere else, there would be mass sackings. If my research data was 80% right, I'd be out on my ear tomorrow.

Peregrina · 18/10/2017 18:40

If my research data was 80% right, I'd be out on my ear tomorrow.
But you have to admit that if this Government could do 80% of things right, they would be a huge success. So they have set the bar low.

Badders08 · 18/10/2017 18:59

I think for this govt 80% is knocking it out the park....

LewisThere · 18/10/2017 19:22

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Mightybanhammer · 18/10/2017 19:58

Important to keep to the topic, but before we leave U C - John Crace has a great piece in the Graun . ( can't link.)
The A Campbell article is getting lots of attention, too, whatever you think of him.
My Tory MP ( three figure majority) voted leave. My letter is going in tomorrow.

woman11017 · 18/10/2017 20:12

MPs vote 299 to 0 and therefore the “pause and fix” to Universal Credit motion passed after the government called a three-line whip for Tories to abstain

Tory former minister Sir Edward Leigh questioned what the point of the Commons was if it merely expresses opinions “for the sake of it” as he made a point of order following the vote.

He said he had trooped through the lobbies to vote on hundreds of divisions on Wednesdays over 34 years as an MP, and that he was “under the impression that it served some purpose”.

He added:

And what worries me is that surely there is some sort of precedent here.

This is not and should not be a university debating society, what is the point of the House of Commons if we just express opinions for the sake of it and surely when we vote it should have some effect?

www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/oct/18/uks-20bn-brexit-bill-offer-to-eu-is-peanuts-says-european-parliament-chief-politics-live

RedToothBrush · 18/10/2017 20:24

Britain Elects @ britain elects
Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 44% (+2)
CON: 38% (-)
LDEM: 7% (-1)
UKIP: 4% (-)
GRN: 1% (-1)

via Survation, 04 - 05 Oct

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RedToothBrush · 18/10/2017 20:27

Faisal islam @ faisalislam
Health Select Committee Chair @sarahwollaston who met the PM at Number 10 yesterday has voted with the Opposition on universal credit pause
Sarah Wollaston now live on Sky News with @joncraig - says she is concerned about "exceptionally long delay" for Universal Credit recipients
"Advisory votes, but do help express opinion, regretfully I vote with Labour" says @sarahwollaston

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RedToothBrush · 18/10/2017 20:29

She broke the three line whip. On an advisory vote to merely express opinion.

Meanwhile Soubry talks but does nothing

In response to faisal's tweet

Anna soubry @ annasoubry
Huge respect for @sarahwollaston but #UniversalCredit needs fixing not pausing

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lalalonglegs · 18/10/2017 20:32

Why can't Sarah Wollaston be the new Conservative Party leader Sad?

BigChocFrenzy · 18/10/2017 20:38

Also on Guardian Live:

"Businesses say this week’s failure to make progress on on either EU exit talkss^ or domestic Brexit legislationn^ means they are increasingly forced to assume the worst when planning for the final year of British membership.

Airlines, for example, have told their suppliers that they could soon be legally unable to sell annual advance tickets because the lack of a transition deal means they cannot guarantee regulatory approval to fly after March 2019.
“If we don’t get [a transition deal] sorted quickly after Christmas, it will be squeaky bum time for lots of businesses,” said one aviation executive in receipt of such warnings."

woman11017 · 18/10/2017 21:04

Meanwhile Soubry talks but does nothing
IDS sexist and creepy towards Soubry in the debate too.

@robmcd85
The no. of clients asking for emergency food which doesn’t need heated is soaring. Clients telling me they can’t afford to use energy 1/7
to cook as it would reduce ability to heat the house or heat water for their Children’s baths. Parents telling me they skip meals or 2/7
make a stock cube drink in order to save money and food for their children. Parents telling me they are having to sit under duvets with 3/7
their children until bed time as they can’t afford to heat their home at night. A young woman told me a few months ago about how she’s 4/7
forced to use old tea towels or cut up clothing as she couldn’t justify spending money on sanitary products. ‘Welfare reform’ is 5/7
causing considerable added stress, upset, angst and significant inconvenience. #universalcredit is already harming people and it’s 6/7
ued roll-out will absolutely destroy lives; one community at a time. 7/7

It's even worse than the poll tax.

BigChocFrenzy · 18/10/2017 21:05

Best EVER description of Tory Brexit strategy GrinGrin

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-negotiations-theresa-may-tories-strategy-makes-election-campaign-look-like-triumph-a8005681.html?amp

The “unthinkable” option is still on the table, and it’s there to show the Europeans that we’re not afraid to do the “unthinkable”.

Except that, you know, the Brexit Secretary has told the House of Commons that the option only exists “for negotiating reasons”, and that we’ll never actually use it.

In the world of Brexit metaphors this can only really be described as shitting on the cake and then threatening to eat it ! GrinGrin

It was not so long ago that it was patiently pointed out to a man called Jeremy Corbyn, amid much ridicule, that if you publicly state that you’ll never use the nuclear deterrent, it kind of ceases to be, well, a deterrent.

It’s possible David Davis, Boris Johnson, Liam Fox and the rest did much of the laughing.
That the Tories have nicked his big idea comes as something of a surprise.

RedToothBrush · 18/10/2017 21:10

Why can't Sarah Wollaston be the new Conservative Party leader

Cos you think shes a) not complete loon b) has some if limited morals

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BigChocFrenzy · 18/10/2017 21:14

"IDS sexist and creepy"

Woman That is IDS. It's what he does
He uses the power of the state to propagate his harsh and judgemental version of Christianity
Genuine Christians will be ashamed of him, as genuine Muslims are shamed of those who pervert Islam to cause harm to the innocent.

No money for the first 6 weeks of Universal Credit
Because people must be punished for being poor, must be discouraged from claiming help from the better off.

Universal Credit to tie married women to their husbands, however abusive
Because marriage should be until death us do part - even if that death is murder.

BigChocFrenzy · 18/10/2017 21:19

DD tells HoC:

"The maintenance of the no deal option is for negotiating reasons."

< THEY CAN HEAR YOU IN BRUSSELS. THEY KNOW.

We all need to SHOUT this to DD and May
Fuck me, but this is pathetic even by the standards of this govt >

Badders08 · 18/10/2017 21:21

😩

woman11017 · 18/10/2017 21:26

Can't disagree with you there BigChoc IDS is spooky.
red bad or mad are the only criteria for new tory leader, looks like. Ah well, twas ever thus.

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