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Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'

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RedToothBrush · 17/10/2017 18:09

Phil Hammond called the EU the enemy. Then retracted it. A classic political move, to pitch to one group and then say you didn't mean it after all.

This is the UK's negotiation strategy. Because the negotiation isn't really with the EU. Its the ongoing debate over the what leaving the EU actually means since it wasn't officially defined prior to the referendum and has been left to politicians to say its one thing to persuade people to support them and then decided no that's not really what they meant after all.

The whole thing makes it impossible for the EU to respond to us, because we don't appear to know what we want.

The EU have been explicit in their position. So things they can not do because of the limitations of trade rules and EU law. Its possible work arounds could be possible for some things - but certainly not all which too many Brexiteers fail to acknowledge.

And then there is the a50 deadline which is like a snake coiled around May's neck slowly strangling her. A self imposed screwing of our negotiating position. One that kills off our Brexit options and ups the stakes into a brinkmanship battle - not with the EU but between the hardlines and the sane. Its not even about remaining, though that option might well end up being the only option left on the table through our own folly, rather than out of EU malice.

The longer we take to work out what we want the higher the stake become and the more we destroy the foundations of our economy in the meantime, even if we do stay in.

We have only just noticed that we've lost money worth 25% of our GDP and we have no net assets anymore, when in early 2016 we had significant assets. Project Fear they said was wrong. Well was it?

We are flat broke as a nation.

Then there is the Great Repel Bill. The Bill was supposed to be in the Commons this week. It was delayed a week due to the sheer number of amendments. There are nearly a dozen with enough Tory rebels to make them stick. Including one for parliament to have a meaningful vote on what option we take - including no deal. If parliament rejected this, we would be left in a situation where we sure as hell better hope a50 is reversible or we could end up unlawfully leave the EU by accident!

And the Lords could be fun for the Repel Bill. The Labour whip has vowed to examine every amendment properly even if the commons don't. And they are free and within their rights to do so.

Still May could exit stage left. Or left with egg all over her face as she has to suck up to the 'enemy' for being such a tool for the last 18months, because she hasn't made progress on the negotiations that really matter. The Tory party ones.

Whichever way you cut it, you can be sure on only one thing: it will go to the wire for both. And possibly beyond with an eleventh hour extension to prevent chaos.

There are hints that the public mood might be changing. Not fast enough. Yet. Interest rates? A break in the triple lock? Phil's budget sure will be interesting. Especially as Brexiteers want money to prepare and protect us from a no deal scenario which they also tell us will be just fine and won't be a problem. Bye Bye NHS, don't get flu this winter. As a note once infamously said: 'There's no many left'.

We are Greece. Only worse. And out of pressure and deadlines we alone created. We just haven't realised it. Yet.

And if this doesn't make you cringe and brace yourself in horror:

Danny Kemp‏ @dannyctkemp
May wants to take the floor at EU summit dinner on Thursday to explain Brexit policy to fellow leaders, senior official says

Just remember her party speech and think: What could possibly go wrong...

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Peregrina · 17/10/2017 19:53

Any advice on pruning an overgrown fuchsia? I have a nasty habit of killing things when I prune them.

Plonkysaurus · 17/10/2017 19:53

Cheers Olenna. Sounds like it's a pant that can withstand a lot of savage treatment by my enthusiastic but inexperienced hands.

OlennasWimple · 17/10/2017 20:00

Fuschias are a bit trickier - don't think about it when it's going to be cold, as they don't like frost. Don't take off too much at once

IrenetheQuaint · 17/10/2017 20:02

Evening all.

Plonky - imagining the buddleia is Liam Fox will help you develop an effective technique.

frumpety · 17/10/2017 20:03

Plonky I have plants trailing in from next doors garden , they are the ones catapillars like and you can eat the flowers but the name escapes me . Would it be rude to allow them to trail and take root , as they seem to like to spot and nothing else I have planted does Grin

woman11017 · 17/10/2017 20:06

Nasturtiums frumpety?

Tugtupite · 17/10/2017 20:06

Thanks red Wine

Bolshybookworm · 17/10/2017 20:16

Sounds like nasturtiums. They're annuals so will die off once the cold weather kicks in. They self seed though, so if you've had any flowers in your garden you might get lucky!

Bolshybookworm · 17/10/2017 20:16

(Unless you ate them all Grin)

frumpety · 17/10/2017 20:19

That's them , no flowers unfortunately , but lots of greenery . Will buy some for next year , now I know they love the spot Smile

HashiAsLarry · 17/10/2017 20:22

Don't worry about the GF.
He has form. He won't be back. He's mansplained his superior knowledge happily knowing he taught us pathetic girlies a thing or two.
AFAHC at least.

OlennasWimple · 17/10/2017 20:23

frumpety - you can now call that taking sensible steps towards self-sufficiency, as nasturtiums are edible Wink

Bearbehind · 17/10/2017 20:26

It's quite odd how there's been a few men round these threads lately trying to teach the girlies the way of the world; kind of ties in with the comments on the last thread about the gender diviide.

TheElementsSong · 17/10/2017 20:27

Thanks for the new thread RTB!

I wouldn’t bother replying to WF - I’ve never seen him return to a thread after he’s delivered his pearls of masculine wisdom. A bit like a flasher, come to think of it: he’s opened his grubby macintosh, waved his chipolata at the impressed ladies, and got off the train at the next station.

Bearbehind · 17/10/2017 20:30

PMSL elements Grin

HashiAsLarry · 17/10/2017 20:32

For no reason Grin

Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'
BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2017 20:34

Thanks, red Flowers

The negotiations have shown the E27 governments to be united, with Barnier very impressive.
< although next to DD, he hasn't exactly got much competition >

Unfortunately, on the Uk side, even 16 months after the referendum, the Cabinet is totally split and cannot specify what it wants.
Hence why there has not been much progress

May dares not say what she really wants - if she even knows - because whatever deal that is, would bring her government crashing down and end her time as PM.
If you can't know what you want, then you are unlikely to get it !
The referendum, which Cameron shamefully called for party political reasons, was supposed to heal decades of Tory divisions over the EU.
Instead, it has torn open bleeding Tory wounds and the Brexit fallout may well destroy the Tory party for a generation,
even throw it into the dustbin of history < sob, anyone ? >

SwedishEdith · 17/10/2017 20:38

misread his name as woollyfather. I misread it as John Redwood.

TheElementsSong · 17/10/2017 20:39

Love it Hashi Grin that’s how I’m going to picture all his posts from now on!

Badders08 · 17/10/2017 20:40

Night night

Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'
BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2017 20:40

iirc it was Donald Tusk who said the EU will get a bit of blood splattered on its suit when Britain blows its foot off.

A bit messy, but not painful

Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'
SwedishEdith · 17/10/2017 20:41

Or just ChipolataMan.

BrandNewHouse · 17/10/2017 20:42

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BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2017 20:45

Don't feed the Brexitbots.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2017 20:46

The govt has been running around like headless chickens for some time
(well, dozing around in the case of DD Grin)

iirc from my biology lessons nearly 50 years ago, a headless cockroach can survive about a week.
How about a government ? Hmm

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