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Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'

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RedToothBrush · 17/10/2017 18:09

Phil Hammond called the EU the enemy. Then retracted it. A classic political move, to pitch to one group and then say you didn't mean it after all.

This is the UK's negotiation strategy. Because the negotiation isn't really with the EU. Its the ongoing debate over the what leaving the EU actually means since it wasn't officially defined prior to the referendum and has been left to politicians to say its one thing to persuade people to support them and then decided no that's not really what they meant after all.

The whole thing makes it impossible for the EU to respond to us, because we don't appear to know what we want.

The EU have been explicit in their position. So things they can not do because of the limitations of trade rules and EU law. Its possible work arounds could be possible for some things - but certainly not all which too many Brexiteers fail to acknowledge.

And then there is the a50 deadline which is like a snake coiled around May's neck slowly strangling her. A self imposed screwing of our negotiating position. One that kills off our Brexit options and ups the stakes into a brinkmanship battle - not with the EU but between the hardlines and the sane. Its not even about remaining, though that option might well end up being the only option left on the table through our own folly, rather than out of EU malice.

The longer we take to work out what we want the higher the stake become and the more we destroy the foundations of our economy in the meantime, even if we do stay in.

We have only just noticed that we've lost money worth 25% of our GDP and we have no net assets anymore, when in early 2016 we had significant assets. Project Fear they said was wrong. Well was it?

We are flat broke as a nation.

Then there is the Great Repel Bill. The Bill was supposed to be in the Commons this week. It was delayed a week due to the sheer number of amendments. There are nearly a dozen with enough Tory rebels to make them stick. Including one for parliament to have a meaningful vote on what option we take - including no deal. If parliament rejected this, we would be left in a situation where we sure as hell better hope a50 is reversible or we could end up unlawfully leave the EU by accident!

And the Lords could be fun for the Repel Bill. The Labour whip has vowed to examine every amendment properly even if the commons don't. And they are free and within their rights to do so.

Still May could exit stage left. Or left with egg all over her face as she has to suck up to the 'enemy' for being such a tool for the last 18months, because she hasn't made progress on the negotiations that really matter. The Tory party ones.

Whichever way you cut it, you can be sure on only one thing: it will go to the wire for both. And possibly beyond with an eleventh hour extension to prevent chaos.

There are hints that the public mood might be changing. Not fast enough. Yet. Interest rates? A break in the triple lock? Phil's budget sure will be interesting. Especially as Brexiteers want money to prepare and protect us from a no deal scenario which they also tell us will be just fine and won't be a problem. Bye Bye NHS, don't get flu this winter. As a note once infamously said: 'There's no many left'.

We are Greece. Only worse. And out of pressure and deadlines we alone created. We just haven't realised it. Yet.

And if this doesn't make you cringe and brace yourself in horror:

Danny Kemp‏ @dannyctkemp
May wants to take the floor at EU summit dinner on Thursday to explain Brexit policy to fellow leaders, senior official says

Just remember her party speech and think: What could possibly go wrong...

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lalalonglegs · 26/10/2017 23:14

Oh bugger it. I was looking forward to Mr McClean's arguments having a good airing.

Peregrina · 26/10/2017 23:15

Cabinet Ministers resigning? Surely not, that's so old fashioned. They will just brazen it out.

RedToothBrush · 26/10/2017 23:20

Peregina I agree. Cabinet Ministers only resign because the PM ultimately has enough authority to say to them, deal or we go to the cliff edge. If they aren't prepared to go to the cliff... Oh wait that's Brexit isn't it.

Just watching Questiontime and the lad who said the BBC was biased during the ref, because all the remainers they got on were more intelligent than the leavers they go on.

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RedToothBrush · 26/10/2017 23:36

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/tory-whips-draw-up-a-naughty-list/
Tory whips’ letch list

In admitting the existence of a 'letch list' the is an admission that the party knows who behaves inappropriately and doesn'ttake action to get them the boot.

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Holliewantstobehot · 26/10/2017 23:43

Just watching Questiontime and the lad who said the BBC was biased during the ref, because all the remainers they got on were more intelligent than the leavers they go on.*

That's fucking hilarious. It's the same with the university thing. Maybe they are remainers because they lecture on the EU, not lecturers because they are remainers. But we're not allowed to point out the obvious conclusion from both these things.

RandomlyGenerated · 26/10/2017 23:46

And of course no mention of BBC bias with the amount of airtime given to Farage.

Or maybe Farage was the less intelligent leaver that the kid in the QT audience was on about?

SwedishEdith · 26/10/2017 23:52

QT actually pretty civilised. That "unintelligent leavers" bloke was funny but surely a Remainer plant about time.

Holliewantstobehot · 27/10/2017 00:02

Any questions in cornwall tomorrow. Will be an interesting listen. At least George Useless isn't on this time.

HesterThrale · 27/10/2017 07:41

More Remainer humour. Academics fight back!
We should flood Heaton-Harris with such requests:

Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'
RedToothBrush · 27/10/2017 09:53

Re: The Sun revelations....

As Irene says:
Well, of course The Sun has a long history of fighting for women against leering men

As I pointed out in response:
Also a good way to get rid of MPs they don't like, potentially for their own political agenda.

Well take a look at this:

Guido Fawkes‏*@GuidoFawkes* 7m
FLASHBACK 2008: Sunday Sleaze Special

order-order.com/2008/09/07/sunday-sleaze-special/

Ivan Lewis is what used to be known as “Not Safe in Taxis” (Damian Green is another one) always sniffing around young women. So it is no surprise that he was leering over a 25 year-old young girl working in his office. After all he broke up with his wife after having an affair with a local Labour Party councillor behind her back. Why has the News of the Screws story come out now over a year later?

So the newspapers are going to recycle something that has apparently been around since 2007/8 and no one has done anything about in all that time, despite the fact that 'everyone knew'???! Again the existence of a Tory Whip List of Sleazy MPs is not a good look. Suggests that people may have been protected for years.

And that is the REAL scandal and what the media SHOULD focus on, but many won't because they didn't follow through with an investigation at the time and that would make it rather embarrassing for some of them. Instead the focus will be on individual politicians guilty of being scumbags.

If these names are indeed the ones to be pulled out the bag, look out for the feigned shock and horror all over the place.

Also, if Damien Green is on the list, you can bet the timing of it coming out now is opportunism based on the fact that they know it will produce a reaction following Weinstein, but the motivation isn't anything to do with gender equality and you can bet your life its everything to do with isolating Theresa May even more.

Worse, The Sun and Guido will polish their halos of champions for women, when they are hypocrites of the highest order.

I wish I was just being cynical but I'm not. MPs feared Murdoch press and the likes of Max Clifford because they sat on dirt but made sure those involved knew that they knew. This is how they kept influence.

After an election where this was shattered for the first time, they are looking for new ways to assert the same power over politicians.

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prettybird · 27/10/2017 10:01

EU preparing for no deal Brexit, says Michel Barnier's adviser
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41765983

Interesting that the implication of the final two paragraphs is that Tusk lied when he said that the EU was not working on a No Deal exit: working on is not the same as preparing for ConfusedHmmAngry

LurkingHusband · 27/10/2017 10:44

Friday Lolz:

www.facebook.com/hrtwarming/videos/1822597691088625/

A rather charming (but no less accurate or shameful for that) comment on UK politics.

RedToothBrush · 27/10/2017 12:03

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/top-tories-plot-to-go-over-mays-head-and-seek-their-own-brexit-talks-a3669541.html
EXCLUSIVE: Top Tories plot to go over Theresa May's head and seek their own Brexit talks

A group of rebels wants an independent line of communication to check whether the Prime Minister is genuinely offering the best terms available.

The plan emerged after Brexit Secretary David Davis made clear that the Government intends to engineer a “take it or leave it” vote on the deal Mrs May negotiates.

That would leave MPs under massive pressure to cave in to her terms or risk the chaos of a no-deal Brexit.

The EU wants to be transparent... for what reason.... oh yeah.

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LurkingHusband · 27/10/2017 12:32

A group of rebels wants an independent line of communication to check whether the Prime Minister is genuinely offering the best terms available.

I wonder if that would be cause enough for the EU to close their folders and - politely - suggest that until the UK has worked out what the fuck it wants, they're on hold ?

Oh, how we laughed at all those joke* countries that had to have second referendums on EU matters. Perhaps it's starting to make sense.

*"Joke country" = !UK ....

LurkingHusband · 27/10/2017 13:48

BitCoin for Brexit ?

www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/27/man_wants_to_flog_house_for_18_bitcoin/

A man in Grimsby wants to flog his house for 18 Bitcoin (£81,305) because he calcuates the currency is a better investment than cold hard British pounds in the bank.

Sean Atkinson, 49, told El Reg, he was aware of the growing market for selling high-end properties in exchange for the crypto currency, "so why not terraced houses in Grimsby?"

(contd)

What a traitor !

LurkingHusband · 27/10/2017 14:49

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41774817

Brexit: EU bank may not fully repay UK until 2054

Billions of euros of British taxpayers' money could remain locked into an EU bank for more than thirty years after Brexit, the UK has been warned.

Alexander Stubb, vice president of the European Investment Bank - in which the UK is a 16% shareholder - said it would not be fully repaid until 2054.

He described Brexit as a "travesty" but denied the move was a punishment.

(contd)

TheNumberfaker · 27/10/2017 15:49

Are these 'rebels' Brexiteers or 'get on with the job' ex-Remainers?

RedToothBrush · 27/10/2017 16:03

Faisal Islam‏*@faisalislam*

third minister in 4 months leaves Dexeu: health related says Anelay - replacement faces tricky task of EUWB in Lords

www.gov.uk/government/news/new-lords-minister-appointed-at-dexeu

He replaces Baroness Anelay who started the job in June. Her predecessor was Lord Bridges who quit saying that he no longer thought it possible to get the Repel Bill through the Lords after the Election. He originally had considered it difficult.

This is the key job role for this position.

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RedToothBrush · 27/10/2017 16:07

Oh my. She has the best excuse.

Nick Gutteridge‏*@nick*_gutteridge
Brexit minister Joyce Anelay quits DExEU and in doing so becomes a leading contender for the bizarrrest ever resignation excuse. She injured herself jumping out of a Black Hawk helicopter (yes, really).

www.conservativehome.com/platform/2017/10/joyce-anelay-a-farewell-to-ministerial-office.html
Joyce Anelay: A farewell to ministerial office

Unfortunately for me, that particular ladder hadn’t materialised when it came to getting out of the helicopter. One ill-judged leap later, and I sustained an uncomfortable injury that has called time on my ministerial career after two decades on the Front Bench.

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woman11017 · 27/10/2017 16:09

@matthewbennett
1/5 of Spanish GDP just declared independence.

@J_amesp
Sorry everyone. We had a limited shot to set this all right. Feels like it has gone up in smoke. We’ve been outgunned.

Catalonia is a huge win for Russia. That screws EU response on so many fronts and impacts NATO by proxy. Combine with Trump and it’s poison.

May sound bleak, but if you ever wanted confirmation a world conflict was just won by the wrong side, look around you.

woman11017 · 27/10/2017 16:21

@LeanneWood

Wales should now recognise Catalunya as an independent country. I will be pushing our National Assembly on this.
www2.partyof.wales/catalwnia_catalunya

Arab Spring turned out well too, Leanne. Hmm 5 nil to Vlad.

RedToothBrush · 27/10/2017 16:37

Arab Spring wasn't about democracy. West thought it was.

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RedToothBrush · 27/10/2017 16:40

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-27/junker-adviser-predicts-a-brexit-deal-unless-madmen-intervene
Juncker Adviser Predicts a Brexit Deal ‘Unless Madmen Intervene’

Suggests a 'late and messy Norwegian plus deal'

but we have plenty of madmen.

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RedToothBrush · 27/10/2017 16:47

Rikev‏*@Rikev*

UK: Let's fuck up politics.
US: Hold my beer.
Spain: Hold my baton -oops.
Catalonia: Byeeeeee!
Spain: Hold on, nope!
EU: WTF is this?

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LurkingHusband · 27/10/2017 16:53

Arab Spring wasn't about democracy. West thought it was.

In the same way the Bedroom Tax and Benefits Cap aren't about saving money.

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