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Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'

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RedToothBrush · 17/10/2017 18:09

Phil Hammond called the EU the enemy. Then retracted it. A classic political move, to pitch to one group and then say you didn't mean it after all.

This is the UK's negotiation strategy. Because the negotiation isn't really with the EU. Its the ongoing debate over the what leaving the EU actually means since it wasn't officially defined prior to the referendum and has been left to politicians to say its one thing to persuade people to support them and then decided no that's not really what they meant after all.

The whole thing makes it impossible for the EU to respond to us, because we don't appear to know what we want.

The EU have been explicit in their position. So things they can not do because of the limitations of trade rules and EU law. Its possible work arounds could be possible for some things - but certainly not all which too many Brexiteers fail to acknowledge.

And then there is the a50 deadline which is like a snake coiled around May's neck slowly strangling her. A self imposed screwing of our negotiating position. One that kills off our Brexit options and ups the stakes into a brinkmanship battle - not with the EU but between the hardlines and the sane. Its not even about remaining, though that option might well end up being the only option left on the table through our own folly, rather than out of EU malice.

The longer we take to work out what we want the higher the stake become and the more we destroy the foundations of our economy in the meantime, even if we do stay in.

We have only just noticed that we've lost money worth 25% of our GDP and we have no net assets anymore, when in early 2016 we had significant assets. Project Fear they said was wrong. Well was it?

We are flat broke as a nation.

Then there is the Great Repel Bill. The Bill was supposed to be in the Commons this week. It was delayed a week due to the sheer number of amendments. There are nearly a dozen with enough Tory rebels to make them stick. Including one for parliament to have a meaningful vote on what option we take - including no deal. If parliament rejected this, we would be left in a situation where we sure as hell better hope a50 is reversible or we could end up unlawfully leave the EU by accident!

And the Lords could be fun for the Repel Bill. The Labour whip has vowed to examine every amendment properly even if the commons don't. And they are free and within their rights to do so.

Still May could exit stage left. Or left with egg all over her face as she has to suck up to the 'enemy' for being such a tool for the last 18months, because she hasn't made progress on the negotiations that really matter. The Tory party ones.

Whichever way you cut it, you can be sure on only one thing: it will go to the wire for both. And possibly beyond with an eleventh hour extension to prevent chaos.

There are hints that the public mood might be changing. Not fast enough. Yet. Interest rates? A break in the triple lock? Phil's budget sure will be interesting. Especially as Brexiteers want money to prepare and protect us from a no deal scenario which they also tell us will be just fine and won't be a problem. Bye Bye NHS, don't get flu this winter. As a note once infamously said: 'There's no many left'.

We are Greece. Only worse. And out of pressure and deadlines we alone created. We just haven't realised it. Yet.

And if this doesn't make you cringe and brace yourself in horror:

Danny Kemp‏ @dannyctkemp
May wants to take the floor at EU summit dinner on Thursday to explain Brexit policy to fellow leaders, senior official says

Just remember her party speech and think: What could possibly go wrong...

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woman11017 · 26/10/2017 18:13

@J_amesp
Think we can safely anticipate a mass bot offensive, hacking aplenty, and lots of fake news over the coming weeks. They know they’re fucked.

Tends toward the epic, this fellow, but he's usually right. Brexit's over, and it won't be pretty.

Peregrina · 26/10/2017 18:43

Brexit's over, and it won't be pretty.

I hope so, but I won't count my chickens.

BiglyBadgers · 26/10/2017 18:46

DExEU Ministers are unclear whether the impact assessments they previously said were completed actually exist as reports

On my! So they are suggesting that the reason they are not releasing the impact assessments is because their aren't any? That someone just sat in a room for a while and thought about it really hard? Possibly there are post-it notes stuck on a wall somewhere. Hmm

woman11017 · 26/10/2017 18:54

Hope I'm not counting chickens, Peregrina but this video of a law graduate and Farage and DD and May's mayhem don't look promising for the brexiteers. Smile

Badders08 · 26/10/2017 18:55

I hope so too peregrina

prettybird · 26/10/2017 19:03

It would be such a shame if [email protected] were inundated with forwarded junk and spam mail, as I have seen suggested on Facebook Wink

RedToothBrush · 26/10/2017 19:29

Jim Waterson‏*@jimwaterson*

Boris Johnson’s relationship with Alan Duncan, his deputy at the foreign office, is going brilliantly according to @popbitch.

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RedToothBrush · 26/10/2017 19:32

Sounds like the Mail may have been had quite the response.

Random Bod @Random_Bod
The Daily Heil have blocked that email address - just got 'undeliverable' message.
[email protected] still works though!

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woman11017 · 26/10/2017 19:34

The Daily Heil have blocked that email address prettybird Halo

Mistigri · 26/10/2017 19:36

I'm a member of a comedy group on FB and they have been merrily trolling the DM, there have been some crackers. I think this is a case of -live by the sword, die by the sword.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/10/2017 19:41

What a bloody shambles the govt is making of Brexit Shock - keeping impact reports secret .... becase they were never done ? Confused

Here's another issue btw, relating to passporting

Can we turn up post-flounce and say
"lets do a mutual passporting agreement, you need it as much as we do . . . " ?

um .... doesn't look like it:

EEA firms with passports to operate in London will find that their passports remain valid after Brexit

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/all?text=2009%2F65%2FEC

because the EU directive that requires member states to implement legislation to support cross-border passporting has long been implemented in UK domestic law.
BUT ......
UK firms with a passport will post-Brexit NOT be based in a member state ... so will not have a valid passport.

The UK would specifically have to change UK law to remove E27 passports.
Fine as a negotiating tactic, but until then, the default status quo is NOT that the EU needs it as much as the UK

BigChocFrenzy · 26/10/2017 19:42

There are probably hundreds more hidden issues that would rise up post-Brexit to bite UK PLC hard in the bum cheeks.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/10/2017 20:06

Another reason the Tories want to Brexit:
so they can continue their tax bungs to huge multinationals Angry - and presumably get sinecure directorships etc in return ?
Tax havens R Us.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tax-avoidance-brexit-eu-britain-evasion-state-aid-rules-a8021176.html

The European Commission has opened an investigation into alleged special treatment given to big multinational companies by the British Government and its tax authorities.

The UK has allowed some multinationals to “opt out” of key parts of its tax avoidance crackdown that applies to other companies
– a move the EU says could breach state-aid rules about special treatment.
....
under a loophole introduced under David Cameron and George Osborne in 2013,
certain income, such as interest payments, have become exempt from the rules.

The Commission says this rule is used by multinational companies to quietly shift profits into tax havens and pay little or nothing in Britain.

< As with the RoI, could this mean that some companies must repay billions to the HMRC ?
Evil EU, making the Uk some billions richer ? >

HashiAsLarry · 26/10/2017 20:29

@faisalislam
PM in phone call to Norwegian PM makes same offer to their [EEA] citizens as to EU citizens:...
... the need for this call rather goes to illustrate that being in the Single Market is not the same as being in the EU

woman11017 · 26/10/2017 20:49

^so they can continue their tax bungs to huge multinationals angry - and presumably get sinecure directorships etc in return ?
Tax havens R Us^
The EU28, of which we are still one,Smile have so many political (economics is political, ain't it) reasons why this sort of brexit malarkey needs to be knocked on the head.

@EL4JC
TWITTER STORM TONIGHT 9-11PM: Join us again tonight during BBC Question Time and tell Twitter why you have #NoConfidence in this Government.

I'll make the popcorn. Smile

BigChocFrenzy · 26/10/2017 20:50

Full transcript of Ivan Rogers, former Uk Perm Rep to the EU appearing before the Treasury Committee

V important info from a genuine expert, among the most knowledgeable Brits about the EU's workings & trade

Amazing that the news media have totally ignored this - they should have him on the front page

Naturally the govt got rid of him, for daring to speak truth to power
So he became a non-person, his words not to be reported

http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/treasury-committee/the-uks-economic-relationship-with-the-european-union/oral/72053.pdf

BigChocFrenzy · 26/10/2017 21:54

The Law & Order Party Confused - that's about as true as their being the party of economic competence

As well as the police cutbacks:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/26/uk-high-security-prisons-officers-conservatives

High-security prisons holding Britain’s most dangerous prisoners have lost one in four officers since the Conservativeses^ have been in government*

mathanxiety · 26/10/2017 21:55

Indeed, RTB, the difficulties of setting up a card swipe system from scratch would be enormous. However, in the US, 'food stamps' are done by means of a swipe card that somehow has the ability to distinguish allowed food items from items not allowed (alcohol and toiletries for instance).

Also, the amount a claimant is awarded for food monthly varies according to financial resources and family size, and these variables are also handled by the card, which is renewable on an annual basis or reviewed when changes in circumstances are reported.

The UK could try to reinvent the wheel or it could adopt and tweak existing software.

I am sure there is some fraud involved in the use of 'food stamps' in the US, but afaik the card system works ok. Sometimes you have to build in a little leeway for fraud while anticipating the main issues and circumventing them. Sometimes it seems to me that the UK puts abuse or fraud prevention too high on the list of priorities when building a system and ends up with one that is too complex or even downright punitive to users as a result.

RedToothBrush · 26/10/2017 22:26

Red Box @timesredbox
Chart of the day: % of Remainers who want Brexit stopped doubles since June

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woman11017 · 26/10/2017 22:26

@carolecadwalla
Tweeting this again because...troubling. This is Leave campaign supporting Russian govt attacks on me & other journalists. Wtf?

LEAVE.EU 🇬🇧Verified account @LeaveEUOfficial
Yakovenko calls on "unscrupulous journalists & politicians" to ditch "fake agenda" re Russian involvement in Brexit.

m.rusemb.org.uk/article/ambassador-alexander-yakovenkos-response-to-the-media-question

RedToothBrush · 26/10/2017 22:51

Tomorrow's Sun Front Page

www.thesun.co.uk/news/4776319/pervert-politicians-mps-outed-in-secret-westminster-womens-whatsapp/
MPs named by female Westminster employees in secret WhatsApp group — as resignations are ‘anticipated’
Furious female researchers, secretaries and aides working across Whitehall and the Houses of Parliament have shared horror ­stories and warned of sleazy male politicians

CABINET Ministers have been named by furious female staff in a secret list of sex-pest MPs to avoid at Westminster.
They are among politicians listed in a WhatsApp group set to spark a fresh scandal in Parliament.

Cabinet ministers??? Plural ???

So which out of Damien Green, Boris Johnson, Phillip Hammond, David Davis, Michael Fallon, Jeremy Hunt, David Lidington, Liam Fox, Greg Clark, Michael Gove, Chris Grayling, Sajid Javid, David Mundell, Alun Cairns, James Brokenshire, David Gauke and Patrick McLoughlin are we thinking it is?

And while many of those accused are said to be “the usual old suspects”, one poster says they also include “surprising younger names”.
Lurid allegations swirling around Westminster included:
SENIOR MPs having sex with staff in Parliamentary offices;
A CABINET Minister “groping” during drinks parties;
A LABOUR MP nicknamed the “disco king” groping a woman while away on a foreign trip;
ONE MP demanding that staff buy sex toys as gifts;
A TORY grandee banned from hiring young “leggy” women to join their staff;
LEERING bosses calling female workers “sugar t**s” and demanding affairs, and
TOP government aides aggressively pursuing female juniors.

The Sun seem to be really going with this one...

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IrenetheQuaint · 26/10/2017 22:54

Well, of course The Sun has a long history of fighting for women against leering men Hmm

borntobequiet · 26/10/2017 22:57

Good evening

I write as a graduate of a prestigious university in the Midlands.

To my horror I found that many of the faculty and graduate students were not British! Also, much of the mathematics studied originated from countries such as France and Germany. Names such as Euler, Pascal, Galois, Gauss and Cantor were encountered far more often than good British names such as Smith and Jones.

I hope that after Brexit we will be able to train up our own maths geniuses and no longer have to play second fiddle to these European interlopers.

Yours

RedToothBrush · 26/10/2017 22:59

Irene, they can make money out of exploiting the victims when it all comes out.

Also a good way to get rid of MPs they don't like, potentially for their own political agenda.

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