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Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'

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RedToothBrush · 17/10/2017 18:09

Phil Hammond called the EU the enemy. Then retracted it. A classic political move, to pitch to one group and then say you didn't mean it after all.

This is the UK's negotiation strategy. Because the negotiation isn't really with the EU. Its the ongoing debate over the what leaving the EU actually means since it wasn't officially defined prior to the referendum and has been left to politicians to say its one thing to persuade people to support them and then decided no that's not really what they meant after all.

The whole thing makes it impossible for the EU to respond to us, because we don't appear to know what we want.

The EU have been explicit in their position. So things they can not do because of the limitations of trade rules and EU law. Its possible work arounds could be possible for some things - but certainly not all which too many Brexiteers fail to acknowledge.

And then there is the a50 deadline which is like a snake coiled around May's neck slowly strangling her. A self imposed screwing of our negotiating position. One that kills off our Brexit options and ups the stakes into a brinkmanship battle - not with the EU but between the hardlines and the sane. Its not even about remaining, though that option might well end up being the only option left on the table through our own folly, rather than out of EU malice.

The longer we take to work out what we want the higher the stake become and the more we destroy the foundations of our economy in the meantime, even if we do stay in.

We have only just noticed that we've lost money worth 25% of our GDP and we have no net assets anymore, when in early 2016 we had significant assets. Project Fear they said was wrong. Well was it?

We are flat broke as a nation.

Then there is the Great Repel Bill. The Bill was supposed to be in the Commons this week. It was delayed a week due to the sheer number of amendments. There are nearly a dozen with enough Tory rebels to make them stick. Including one for parliament to have a meaningful vote on what option we take - including no deal. If parliament rejected this, we would be left in a situation where we sure as hell better hope a50 is reversible or we could end up unlawfully leave the EU by accident!

And the Lords could be fun for the Repel Bill. The Labour whip has vowed to examine every amendment properly even if the commons don't. And they are free and within their rights to do so.

Still May could exit stage left. Or left with egg all over her face as she has to suck up to the 'enemy' for being such a tool for the last 18months, because she hasn't made progress on the negotiations that really matter. The Tory party ones.

Whichever way you cut it, you can be sure on only one thing: it will go to the wire for both. And possibly beyond with an eleventh hour extension to prevent chaos.

There are hints that the public mood might be changing. Not fast enough. Yet. Interest rates? A break in the triple lock? Phil's budget sure will be interesting. Especially as Brexiteers want money to prepare and protect us from a no deal scenario which they also tell us will be just fine and won't be a problem. Bye Bye NHS, don't get flu this winter. As a note once infamously said: 'There's no many left'.

We are Greece. Only worse. And out of pressure and deadlines we alone created. We just haven't realised it. Yet.

And if this doesn't make you cringe and brace yourself in horror:

Danny Kemp‏ @dannyctkemp
May wants to take the floor at EU summit dinner on Thursday to explain Brexit policy to fellow leaders, senior official says

Just remember her party speech and think: What could possibly go wrong...

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thecatfromjapan · 19/10/2017 10:11

That's great news, Somerville . What a relief!

Badders08 · 19/10/2017 10:16

Somerville 💐

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2017 10:20

Fabulous Somerville!

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lonelyplanetmum · 19/10/2017 10:33

Yay!

Somerville · 19/10/2017 10:39

DS1's a bit gutted because through a contact of someone on this thread, our case was referred to someone rather high profile. DS was looking forward to the excitement. Hmm However the Governor's have seen sense as soon as I name dropped this person's interest (at their suggestion) in my final letter as part of the complaints policy (funny that!) and I am beyond relived.

A lot of you on this thread really, really know what you're talking about. (Not that I doubted otherwise.)

pointythings · 19/10/2017 10:41

That's fantastic, Somerville. Great news.

lalalonglegs · 19/10/2017 10:44

Well done, Somerville. It's ridiculous that the school brought in that rule in the first place though Angry.

prettybird · 19/10/2017 10:58

That's brilliant news Somerville WineFlowers

Who says nothing positive or constructive happens as a result of these threads? WinkGrin

Holliewantstobehot · 19/10/2017 11:12

So happy for you Somerville

woman11017 · 19/10/2017 11:22

Flowers Cake woohoo Somerville great news!!!
In amongst that letter, red CSI removed from 'eligibility' criteria.
Blush for pubic money earlier. Grin

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2017 11:29

MN can and does change things. I believe in the power of MN as I've seen it happen many times. And that's why I think these threads are important and do make a difference in lots of different ways. It might not stop Brexit - but that's not necessarily the point... Very happy for you Somerville.

Anyway back to Brexit.

Pierre Briançon‏ @pierrebri
Brilliant Pascal Lamy summary of what the Brexit talks are all about, in @FT today.

Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'
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woman11017 · 19/10/2017 11:40

Jezza speech now. Wonder how it will compare to TM's speech, not in the stinky kitchen.

Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'
BigChocFrenzy · 19/10/2017 11:46

Most interesting about cockroaches, LH
There are considerable similarities, in the single-minded pursuit of what they want, obliviously leaving disaster and debris behind

< hunts for political roach spray >

LurkingHusband · 19/10/2017 11:52

Most interesting about cockroaches, LH

Here's the prog discussing it (Brian Cox alert).

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08yncyg

Badders08 · 19/10/2017 11:56

Would urge all of you to get your hands on this week's big issue...armando iannuci being awesome on brexit
😂

Westminstenders: Sucking up to the 'enemy'
BigChocFrenzy · 19/10/2017 12:01

Brilliant news, Somerville

btw, if MN and these threads had no effect, then we wouldn't have these hard right "visitors" dropping in to mansplain Torysplain that Brexit will be spiffing.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/10/2017 12:03

Ah, I can even listen to Brian Cox showing cockroaches
Such an oasis of intelligence in a very dumbed down program schedule

Motheroffourdragons · 19/10/2017 12:04

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LurkingHusband · 19/10/2017 12:08

Such an oasis of intelligence in a very dumbed down program schedule

Jim al-Khalili's The Life Scientific is pretty good too. (I can't find a reference, but I'm sure it was recently praised for bigging up women in science).

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2017 12:22

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/10/19/we-need-to-take-back-control-leavers-and-remainers-can-agree
We need to take back control: Leavers and Remainers can agree on this

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woman11017 · 19/10/2017 12:28

Yep Jim al-Khalili is great. I'm no way a scientist, but am just interested. His programmes seem to be include an interesting range of women scientists and engineers. Will buy my Big Issue this week, badders.

LewisThere · 19/10/2017 12:36

[people] will no longer have to demonstrate Comprehensive Sickness Insurance as they currently have to under EU rules.

Err... I thought that the stuff with the Comprehensive Insurrance was an idea of the UK, not the EU.
Funny how she has managed to make skmethingbthat most people know was an issue in 'the EU's fault' again.
Nope nothing to do with something SHE implemented whilst at the HO...

prettybird · 19/10/2017 12:48

Indeed Confused Wasn't there a case going through the courts challenging the HO on this very point? Angry

All the EU says is that you have to have the same sort of insurance that is required of "home" residents of that country - which, in the case of the UK, is none Confused So what comprehensive sickness insurance have we all been paying that we didn't know about? (And the answer isn't National Insurance as even people who don't pay National Insurance are eligible for NHS treatment - you just need to be "ordinarily resident" here which should exclude the expats in Spain coming home for treatment Hmm)

Holliewantstobehot · 19/10/2017 13:00

I have a crush on Jim Al-Khalili.Wink

Loved the pictures of May leaving for Brussels followed by the news that Corbyn is already there.

John Redwood on daily politics saying we will grow more food and buy oranges from SA instead of Spain. Sure those extra food miles will be great for the environment. Still Jo Coburn challenged him over WTO and the fact that we trade with the rest of the world through the EU. Apparently this is fine as food will be worst affected and we can grow more. So if we don't have enough to eat we can be happy that other areas of trade are less affected.

LurkingHusband · 19/10/2017 13:10

John Redwood on daily politics saying we will grow more food and buy oranges from SA instead of Spain.

I didn't realise SA was having problems selling oranges on the world market ?

You know, for someone who represents himself the "party of business" John Redwood is doing a good impersonation of someone who knows fuck all about it.