Where do you realistically think we go from here?

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So Amber Rudd says 'no deal is unthinkable' and David Davis says the opposite.

DD also says we'd only agree to a transition period if the terms of our deal were known before hand.

The EU are still insisting the 3 priorities are addressed before talks can move to trade so basically we're at a stand off.

Something has to give at some point.

Regardless of what you want to happen, what do you think will actually happen.

I think we will walk away from the talks, all hell will break loose when the repercussions of that come to the fore and we'll end up staying in the EU in some capacity but in a much weaker position than before.

Some executives are paid millions of pounds, while people in their corporation are on peanuts. I'm not saying everyone should earn the same but the ratio has got out of hand. Perhaps we could stop paying top up benefits to people if this was addressed and that money could be put to better use

Paying unskilled people more for doing less is will only end in tears.

Paying unskilled people more for doing less is will only end in tears.

Nobody is saying that

Brexit can't be compared to the election of a government that you don't like. Parliamentary elections are held at least every five years so there is a chance to reverse the decision.

Shame the Tories didn't accept the democratic will when they failed to turn up in parliament last night for the UC vote

Let's try and keep this sensible shall we?

These people are elected and paid to represent us, not behave like a bunch of spoilt brats when they don't get their own way. I trust if you want people to be sensible you will write to your MP calling him or her out on this childish behaviour.

Let's have a look at piemakers.....

Productive pie makers look ahead to determine how many pies of what types will be needed and whether they can be made at such cost that it is worth the effort. When socialism takes hold and they have to surrender two of each dozen pies, perhaps it still appears to be worth the effort. But then it's three per dozen, then four...

Pretty soon, pie makers are calculating "why should I go to all this bother when I can just wait and get the pies I need personally for free?" At that point, you look around and you've run out of other people's pies.

The wealth of a society comes overwhelmingly from one single source--the ability of enterprising people to look to the future and see the opportunity to make profits (an evil concept to socialists). When they can, they get busy and the productive cycle starts that brings employment and goods and services. When they can't, they register with the government to be sure to get their share of the pie, what little there is.........

Capitalism produces for the benefit of the minority. The majority are expected to be grateful for a minimum wage job in a warehouse.

That is apparently why we have Brexit because people feel disenfranchised. its just a shame Brexit will change bugger all.

Pies, Frank, pies!

Somehow, yet another thread on the current debacle which is Brexit, has been derailed into the so-called evils of socialism.

If Labour were to win the next election, you'd be perfectly entitled to complain about they did and to campaign in favour of a different party in order to oust them at the next election.

It's not whinging. It's democracy.

Pies, Frank, pies!

So should May and Davies be taking the Pie and eat it approach with the EU?

Fuck the pies, save the pasty!

metro.co.uk/2016/07/01/leaving-the-eu-could-kill-off-the-cornish-pasty-5979073/

Footballers are to be treated as an asset. How much tax do you think someone earning £230,000 a week pays?

Depends on where they (on paper) live and/or how clever an accountant they have.

The premier league alone brings in around £3 billion a year and have been a focus of HMRC for about a decade now, there isn't much dodgy dealing going on these days.

You’re brave quoting Margaret Thatcher on here

I heart Maggie, Surfer** 😁

You're right there, Somerville it's almost predictable by time, tactics and 'content'.

Given Thatcher was pro EU I'm surprized you mention her name.

Except she was vehemently against signing the Maastricht treaty because she had the foresight to see where it was leading us.

People are not assets.

They’re not commodities either.

The Premier League has alot of foreign players and managers. Whatever happened to 'British players for British clubs?'

They’re not commodities either.

Perhaps leavers should agree on a Brexit economic model before they start splitting hares

M4Dad cannot believe you are lecturing on the dangers of Corbynism in relation to incentives to manufacture given the guardians of capitalism (aka Tories) spent all day yesterday in the HoC defending Universal Tax Credits with mandated work requirements and minimum 63% tax rates (95% if you happen to reach the heady heights of £12k salary).

However we digress. Anyone in need of diversion the bbc is running a Brexit success story on haggis exports to Canada - some of the comments definitely not exportable as truly reflect Scottish psyche.

Ghost I think we’ll get a resurgence of UK players, given that many of the EU players at the bottom end of the Premiership and in the lower leagues won’t qualify for work permits under the current rules.

www.solicitorsjournal.com/law-brief/201705/consequences-brexit-british-football

www.politico.eu/article/british-football-braces-for-life-after-brexit-chelsea-ngolo-kante-english-premier-league/

I yield to no one in my dislike and mistrust of Corbyn but it beggars belief that one can oppose him on the grounds of the damage he will do to the country yet embrace Brexit, success in which demands we tear up the legal and political foundations we have built on for 40 years and recreate them in only two!
If you love stability you hate Brexit.

OK, a person has tried for 6 years as a dcotor, she now earns 60K a year. What right do you have to any of her money?

Sorry, can I just come back to this argument that a doctor should earn more than a receptionist and not pay much tax because they train longer. What exactly do you think the receptionist was doing while the doctor was working hard at the training? Do you think they were on holiday the whole time? They were probably working hard themselves doing a job and paying tax. BTW this isn't to say that I think a doctor and a receptionist should earn that same it's just the implication that people who haven't spent years training at something have had their feet up, that life has somehow been easier for them.

I think talking about a doctors earnings is just smoke an mirrors anyway, most doctors are just normal working people with upper end of normal wages. I have no problem with what doctors are paid. I do have a problem with massive companies paying directors tens of millions (off shore) while people on the shop floor, working full time (and more) have to claim state benefits to keep a basic roof over their head and feed their children because the bosses won't share the profits of the business fairly.

At least the EU is going to attempt to tackle corporate tax avoidance with new rules in 2019. Oh, what could that coincide with? Hmm

I yield to no one in my dislike and mistrust of Corbyn but it beggars belief that one can oppose him on the grounds of the damage he will do to the country yet embrace Brexit,

Agreed

I like your pie analogy, M4. I can see the dangers of socialism but what about the capitalist pie maker? He is doing really well until he gets taken over by the Big Pie Corporation. Now he has to mass produce his pies and he's cutting corners right, left and centre because profits are king and the bosses want to cut costs. The ingredients are poor quality, health and safety on the factory floor puts him in danger and he doesn't earn enough to even afford any pie himself. He has to claim top-up benefits from the government because the priority is to keep making the big bucks for the guys at the top. The boss is rolling in money and he can afford a fancy accountant and his profits are safely locked away offshore so he doesn't have to give any up in that pesky tax - that's just for the lower orders, right? He's an entrepreneur, a business genius and we must placate him to keep him in the country generating wealth...for himself. It doesn't really sound a whole lot better than your socialist pie dystopian fiction, does it?