Where have all the Brexiters gone?

[MsHooliesCardigan]

Just that really. 52% voted to leave. I know Mumsnet isn't completely representative of the electorate but you would expect at least a few people to be banging the Brexit drum. The ones that were quite vocal seem to have lost their voice. Perhaps they're just bored with the whole thing but their silence really is deafening.

It's just too funny for words!

purits, could you explain what was impossible or nonsensical about remaining in the EU as far as trade was concerned?

Do I have to do the explaining to the hard-of-understanding again? The EEC was about Free Trade. The EU is about the Single Market.
They should have stopped at a Free Trade agreement and not have all this ever-closer-union nonsense.

purits, give over with the patronising comments.

The EU is what it is.

The fact is I and other Remainers believe we benefit from it far more than we are disadvantaged by it.

Leavers, including yourself are simply unable to demonstrate why that is not the case.

The fact is I and other Remainers believe we benefit from it far more than we are disadvantaged by it.
Leavers, including yourself are simply unable to demonstrate why that is not the case.

So Remainers simply have to believe but Leavers have to demonstrate? Double standards.

The fact is I and other Remainers believe we benefit from it far more than we are disadvantaged by it

I would suggest you're mostly motivated by money. Brexiteers aren't

Many Leavers were those who are comfortably retired, mortgage-free or nearly, who benefit from a healthy pension. They don't need to be motivated by money.

Homing in on two words in a post is missing the point to an extreme degree, and I think you both know it.

we can replace all the farm and health workers leaving" they mean other people should work on farms and look after the elderly

The problem with having an aging population as far as farm and care workers are concerned is that they both jobs require a degree of physical fitness, which those getting on a bit tend not to have.

So Remainers simply have to believe but Leavers have to demonstrate? Double standards

It's very easy to demonstrate- Leavers do it daily by failing to come up with any tangible disadvantages that aren't just 'feelings'.

I drop in and out of these threads as yes it's the same old from both sides.

But once we have actually Brexited I'd like to be able to come back and it all be honky dory but I really really don't believe that will be the case.

It's such a colossal fuck up that the only way out is to stay in.

I would suggest you're mostly motivated by money. Brexiteers aren't

Not sure how you reached that conclusion but I'd be interested to understand what your motivations are.

It's very easy to say you're not motivated by money if you are sitting pretty and are able to shrug off any economic impact.

Not sure how you reached that conclusion but I'd be interested to understand what your motivations are

I'm generalising, massively but here goes;

Remainers care about their country (such a crime these days) they care about their culture and they care about democracy. They care about their right not to be governed or controlled by faceless bureaucrats within a corrupt organisation, they've had enough of subsiding the expansion of Europe when parts of their own country are suffering terribly, the care that their communities have been changed forever, they care they can't get children into the schools they want and they care that they have been lied to and misled.

Leavers only care about the economic impact it may have on them personally , they couldn't give a shit who's in charge of what or how it's done as long as they aren't out of pocket and they think democracy is soooo last century.

Freudian slip there m4

Brexiters are still squabbling about what "they" want whilst the UK burns. It's nothing more than an international showcase of our nation's utter hubris and island-mentality aka ignorance of how the world works. The racism and economic illiteracy are mere shameful side events...

Ahem......

Hello Fliss are those for me? Goodness knows I could do with some cheering up after wading through some of these posts

The racism

The Remainer's go to card.

Is that it Bearbehind? You have spent hours asking people to 'prove' or demonstrate' why Brexit is a good thing. M4 finally gives in and all you can say is "freudian slip".
You're like Barnier: pretending to engage but adding nothing and insisting that the other side does all the work.

My responsibility ends at the ballot box. Look I don't have the answers I never claimed I did. The people who need to figure it out are the government and everyone is responsible for voting for them

This is breathtaking in its immaturity. And a good example of why this vote should never have been put to the public. If you’re not going to bother to try to figure out if and how this would work - what was the point in asking your view in the vote?

If you vote for something you have a responsibility to work out if it is practicable before you vote.

The government can’t figure out how to implement Brexit because it is not actually possible. We have one of the lowest calibres of government in living memory, but not even Einstein could sort this mess out. In addition the government is also divided - which again you may have noticed before the vote - so even if there was a viable plan, which there is not, they can’t agree on it anyway.

M4Dad you've mixed up your factions there but as a Remainer, I would like to respectfully ask how you can possibly know that I only care about my family and not about the UK as a whole? As it happens, I care about both, very much indeed. I believe that the future of the UK (yes, a country I love very much, even though Iive outside it) will be damaged economically and in a multitude of other ways (our world influence will be very much diminished for one) by Brexit. It is incredibly hubristic of you to assume you understand the workings of other people's minds and yet you post your assumptions as if they were facts!

"M4 finally gives in"

HAHAHAHAHA!

You mean he was posting some rubbish about how leavers are all patriotic and love democracy and are want everyone to live happily ever after and remainers are all selfish bastards - and to you that's proof?!

Hilarious!

Even funnier that he got it wrong!

It is incredibly hubristic of you to assume you understand the workings of other people's minds and yet you post your assumptions as if they were facts

Ah well, I'm sure you'll get over it.

It really is getting quite funny around here

Is that it Bearbehind? You have spent hours asking people to 'prove' or demonstrate' why Brexit is a good thing. M4 finally gives in and all you can say is "freudian slip".

purits did you not notice that m4 post said 'Remainers care about their country'?

Not a truer word IMO but not what he meant.

I'm happy to comment on the rest assuming he actually got it the wrong way round and I look forward to your reply.

I would suggest you're mostly motivated by moneyt

Money is a means to an end. On a personal level money can be changed for:

• a home
• food, healthy food
• a good education e.g. property in a good catchment area or private
• healthcare to avoid long waiting times during whir people's health deteriorates needlessly
• heating
• living in a low crime area
• enriching extra curricular actives such as sports, learning an instrument, travelling
• warm clothing in winter, appropriate clothing for the summer

On a societal level if invested smartly money buys:

• a good state eduction for all children
• NHS healthcare , social care
• a reliable infrastructure
• science
• arts

.....

yucky money eh?

Just for clarification.

Remainers couldn't give a fig about their country and all they care about is themselves and their bank balances.

Hope this helps, my bad for the typo.

:)