Where have all the Brexiters gone?

[MsHooliesCardigan]

Just that really. 52% voted to leave. I know Mumsnet isn't completely representative of the electorate but you would expect at least a few people to be banging the Brexit drum. The ones that were quite vocal seem to have lost their voice. Perhaps they're just bored with the whole thing but their silence really is deafening.

they think democracy is soooo last century.

How about the PM who tried, desperately, to circumvent the need for parliamentary scrutiny and assent for the legalities of leaving the EU? And the Leave-supporting newspapers who flung around, to describe those involved in the judicial process around this exercise or not of democracy, terms including: 'traitors', 'enemies of the state' and, my personal favourite, 'openly gay ex-Olympic fencer'?

M4D >"Remainers couldn't give a fig about their country and all they care about is themselves and their bank balances."

What proof do you have of this please?

Where are your sources?

Are you a mind-reader?

This is obviously your opinion so please don't present it as a fact.

leavers care about their country (such a crime these days)

So do Remainers which is why they do not want us to fall of a cliff

they care about their culture

What does that actually mean?

and they care about democracy.

What democracy was missing whilst being in the EU?

They care about their right not to be governed or controlled by faceless bureaucrats within a corrupt organisation

Can you name a decision that was imposed on us against our will?

they've had enough of subsiding the expansion of Europe when parts of their own country are suffering terribly

Our government could have done something about that at any point- why didn't they?

the care that their communities have been changed forever, they care they can't get children into the schools they want

Here's the crux of the issues- xenophobia

and they care that they have been lied to and misled.

The Leave campaign was lies and misleading but what before that?

Remainers only care about the economic impact it may have on them personally

Utter nonsense- I am able to ride the storm better than many but am still vehemently against what this is going to do to our economy.

they couldn't give a shit who's in charge of what or how it's done as long as they aren't out of pocket

I very much give a shit about the shower of fools we have put in charge now

and they think democracy is soooo last century.

No, we just understand democracy isn't about being told 'we won, you lost, get over it'

This is obviously your opinion so please don't present it as a fact

As already stated, I'm generalsing massively but I think I'm pretty close to the mark. Not so much fact, more, "factish"

An infantilised electorate, expecting simple solutions to very complex problems

It’s extraordinary isn’t it.

This vote is as much an indictment of our education system as our political system.

The people in the big smoke with their responsible jobs and fancy edikations are somehow going to fix this. The electorate complain about the metropolitan elite yet are fully dependent on them to resolve this mess.

Tugtupite - yes, why not, let's say they were. HTH?

We're not at all surprised that this thread is plunging downhill so can we remind everyone to post within our TGs. Please.

In the meantime, here's some and some more

Isn't that the problem the whole of the leave campaign was 'factish'
And actually I care massively about my country. Which is why I'm a governor of a school my children aren't actually in.

M4D With an issue as important as Brexit, it is a real pity that no one has produced objective data (for both sides) that everyone can consider and react to accordingly.

"Factish" doesn't cut it.

"Remainers couldn't give a fig about their country and all they care about is themselves and their bank balances."

But but but - it's only those nasty remainers who make horrible generalisations surely?

M4D With an issue as important as Brexit, it is a real pity that no one has produced objective data (for both sides) that everyone can consider and react to accordingly

You're not wrong, didn't Cameron suggest we'd trigger WW3 with a Brexit? However, the time for considering is over, people like you need to get over the Brexit Preppers thread and start comparing notes.

I think the fact that so many people - on both sides - make generalisations and use memes shows just how little information we as an electorate had to make this significant decision on. Of course, no one, leave or remain, has a crystal ball to know what would happen if x or y. Perhaps in a world of increasing globalisation and automation there's actually less in it than either side would have us believe.

My view is that economically the country will wobble for a while but ultimately sort itself out. How long for, who knows. Depends how it's managed, what stimuli are implemented etc. Some people, some industries will be better off than others. Immigration won't change much and people will continue to ignore automation as an upcoming issue.

But if we don't get past this Brexshiteer/Remoaner bollocks soon then society is fucked.

Can I add for the record that I did say I was "massively generalising"

Thanks.

I saw a brexit thread, and thought I'd pop in as a leaver to maybe post....second post in starts like this: 'Because they're racist idiots'
So, this leaver, left.

M4Dad >"people like you need to get over the Brexit Preppers thread and start comparing notes."

I don't need to do anything you tell me thanks and wouldn't presume to tell anyone else what to do either.

I don't need to do anything you tell me thanks

Of course you don't, I was only being flippant. There's been a lot of it on this thread.

I'm sorry - called me a party pooper - but I can't be flippant about a subject that makes me feel so distressed and sad.

Some people, some industries will be better off than others. Immigration won't change much and people will continue to ignore automation as an upcoming issue.

Which rather begs the question - what is the point?

*"My responsibility ends at the ballot box."

This is what is most infuriating about Brexit, the idea that someone else has to implement what is an impossible,*

Well it’s someone else’s job to do these things, not mine.

I don’t ask other people to do my job for me.

It's only 'someone else's job' because you voted for it to happen.

those responsible for making it happen don't even think it's the right thing to do, including TM, as demonstrated by her refusal to say she'd vote Leave now.

It's truly mind blowing how irresponsible comments like that are.

It's truly mind blowing how irresponsible comments like that are.

It’s truly mind blowing how hysterical some posters are.

It's truly mind blowing how irresponsible comments like that are.

Not as mind blowing as how some Remainers think that the people who voted for Brexit should be at the forefront of the negotiations.

These threads always end up the same, so many generalisations and arseholes on both sides.

These threads always end up the same, so many generalisations and arseholes on both sides.

Yep.

It’s odd how the remainers on MN like to start these threads every now & then.
Sort of of like they want an outlet to chastise people for voting the wrong way and DESTROYING THE COUNTRY!!!

not as mind blowing as how some Remainers think that the people who voted for Brexit should be at the forefront of the negotiations.

Who else should do it if not those who chose it?

Even if they aren't literally involved in negotiations they should have some idea of how it's going to work out.

Which rather begs the question - what is the point?

Money.

It's always money. We probably can't see it yet but someone somewhere stands to make a staggering shit-ton of money from Brexit. Watch the flow of money into and out of the UK over the next few years. My guess is it's something to do with loosening up international property and business ownership regulations but I'm purely spitballing there.