Where have all the Brexiters gone?

[MsHooliesCardigan]

Just that really. 52% voted to leave. I know Mumsnet isn't completely representative of the electorate but you would expect at least a few people to be banging the Brexit drum. The ones that were quite vocal seem to have lost their voice. Perhaps they're just bored with the whole thing but their silence really is deafening.

purits, are you on the same planet as the rest of us?

Frictionless trade is exactly what we are trying to achieve- how have you missed that?

mummy, I don't think we need any more analogies

purits is struggling with the actual facts of what we are striving for without talking about boating lakes, houses or electricity!

Dispensing of the analogy- what does the EU want from us that they can't get elsewhere?

On a personal level, I will have to jump through many bureaucratic hoops and spend loads of money just to maintain the status quo, as will many, many other people. And that would be fine if I could only see a way that everyone else would benefit. But I can't.

The EU wants answers on how EU citizens will be treated in UK / ditto UK citizens in EU and how the border with NI will be managed in a way that won't cause the GFA to be breached. We still seem to have no fucking clue after a year! These are people's human rights we are talking about, and they have no idea still. Of course they want this sorted before talking about trade.

Our fish.
Our guarentees on quota's for futures that become meaningless if we just leave.
Our Money... Money and more Money.
Access to our hospitals for free for their memebers, but for our people to pay to use their hospitals.
oh and our money

Wisedad, (going back up thread) the only point you missed is that IF a directive is put to the EU parliament, (which more often than not it isnt), only one third of member states MEPs are needed to form a quorum, so of 751 that means 250. Of those, just over half, is needed for a majority. 126 MEPs. Thats it. For a majority vote that impacts 500,000 people. (Though its still a moot point when most directives dont go near parliament)

Ive never met a european citizen who voted for Junker, or even voted for an MEP who voted for Junker either.

You are absolutely right, and Blairs lie, repeated by Sadiq Khan and others, that Protocol 30 gave us an Opt Out and protected our 'sovereignty' in the Lisbon treaty, has been exposed as rubbish by the bloke who wrote it. If youre interested in the farce of the legal position, youll find this an interesting read. Its been posted before, but remainers glaze over as its not about racists.....

publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmeuleg/979/979.pdf

Apart from that, bear and co have had fun today, but to keep it short, I was told by everyone, over and over again, Cameron, the EU, the remain campaign, that there would be no access to the single market if I voted leave. I voted. Why on earth would I be slightly interested therefore in remainers, post referendum, ranting hypothetically about various mythical deals? I was told before the referendum there wouldnt be one. Thats it in my book.

Today, Merkels a racist, shes agreed a migrant cap. Macrons a racist, hes setting up Libyan camps, Kerns a racist, hes threatened to send troops to the border, not to mention the eastern EU states who refused to play ball in the first place. Yet here we, Brits who voted leave are raging racists. It is truly pathetic.

But with the NI issue, they don't seem to doing more than saying no to everything we offer.

"EU wants answers on how EU citizens will be treated in UK...."

Well its safe to say, better than EU citizens in Catalonia.

Was just checking with my dutch friends how things are going there.... Nope. Still no government. Do any remainers whatsoever even look outside their own front doors?

but with the NI issue, they don't seem to doing more than saying no to everything we offer.

Because we haven't offered anything that doesn't involve carrying on as we did before.

“What 'electricity' do the EU have that we are planning to use indefinitely?”

Scottish Power (Spanish)
E ON UK (German) owns Powergen
EDF Energy (French)

I'm out now caroline is here.

Night all.

Tanith we are leaving the EU, so can still buy things off them,

Caroline, what does that have to do with Brexit?

I think Bear is scared of Caroline

Good call bear

Not scared mummy, just bored of lengthy posts about every aspect of the EU that have very little to do with Brexit and do nothing to explain how we will move forward.

Carolinesbeanies. Err. The parliament does vote for the big stuff but your quorum point is well made. The same could be said for the Uk parliament so I don't think it's a killer argument but a reinforcing one.

Nice try to engage though. The Dutch now, after months, have a government of many different factions and beliefs which have banded together to keep the G. Wilder party out, and I don't mean Gene Wilder either. I wonder how long they can hold it together.

It's funny how after baiting bearbehind buggers off without going into any detail. I put out some reasons for leaving that, I thought, addressed some of the lack of detail being demanded. Nothing came back at all in they way of debate, merely picking up the weak analogy I used. Given I had pointed that weakness out myself it hardly was worth typing a long reply to and missing the points of substance..

It is ironic how, after complaining no Leave voter wants to come out to play, that once the Leave team arrives on the field and sets out something the Remain team decide to pick on trivia rather than engaging on points of substance.

On another point of detail did you ever wonder why when modelling the impact of leaving the EU the modellers assumed we would keep the common external tariff in place but also apply it to imports from the EU? Or as I asked of one presenter.. given tariffs are incident on the importer that is akin to the Uk government deciding to make the Uk poorer. Why would you assume they would do that? Answered with an "err. That's what we assumed". Yeah. Great analysis.

Ok Bear, it was meant tongue in cheek, but i do know what you mean about the fact merchants.

Bit like Westministenders threads then

I really shouldn't have looked again!

it is ironic how, after complaining no Leave voter wants to come out to play, that once the Leave team arrives on the field and sets out something the Remain team decide to pick on trivia rather than engaging on points of substance.

That is incredibly arrogant; you're the Leave team now are you?

Doesn't say much about the Leavers who were here before you does it?

Besides, I did respond to your posts.

I said you lost all credibilty by asking me to answer a question on the 'cost' of leaving including a reference to VAT on tampons as that money was a cost to us.

We had exemption from that tax, or did you miss that?

Like the WM threads in reverse though time4

Makes a nice change to see Leavers posting - I’ve missed that!

Still waiting for Bear or another remainer to lay out the case for how the EU will look in 10 years, and all those good reasons why we should be embracing it.

Not ‘why Brexit is bad’ but rather why the EU is great & always will be.

The rise of the proper, nasty far right & police shooting at their own people etc isn’t happening in the U.K.

Doesn't say much about the Leavers who were here before you does it?

A lot of (most?) Leave posters on this thread are the same ones that were on previous threads Bear.