Where have all the Brexiters gone?

[MsHooliesCardigan]

Just that really. 52% voted to leave. I know Mumsnet isn't completely representative of the electorate but you would expect at least a few people to be banging the Brexit drum. The ones that were quite vocal seem to have lost their voice. Perhaps they're just bored with the whole thing but their silence really is deafening.

If I vote for a party that gain power and they make a pigs ear of government, am I expected to step in?

No

If I employ a builder who clicks up the build, fo I get my cement mixer out and correct it?

No

My surgeon missed some of the tumour I had cut out, do I go back in an remove very the rest?

Sod that no.

In each case you leave it to the experts.

So why when asked if I want in or out of Europe am I expected to pop over and sort out the mess because TM, a remainder has bolloxed it up?

They asked us what we thought, we told them, but it seems they weren’t expecting that answer.....

Who else should do it if not those who chose it

Ha ha, are you suggesting that if Scotland had won their Indy Ref then the people who had voted for the Indy Ref should have been the ones to sort out the negotiations with the British Government?

faith you are one of the very worst (both in your current and previous guises) for posting provactive comments then backing absolutely nothing up.

I'm not being hysterical at all.

These threads might be repetitive but it's because we have no more of a clue how Brexit will work than we did 18 months ago and Leavers simply don't give a shit.

1. Well it’s someone else’s job to do these things, not mine.

Ah, you have misunderstood the "voter" job description, unfortunately.

Your job was to apply critical thought including feasibility of implementation, since that aspect is kinda crucial in evaluating whether your vote could ever be executed without massive negative consequences for you/kids/country etc. You're welcome.

1. Not as mind blowing as how some Remainers think that the people who voted for Brexit should be at the forefront of the negotiations.

Absolutely, because I think we all know how that would turn out, particularly given point 1. which was apparently a miscomprehension sadly not restricted to one poster. The last 15 months of history speaks laughs for itself

and Leavers simply don't give a shit

It's mad isn't it, the sheer amounts of zero f**ks given must drive you Remainers up the wall.

I take no pleasure from this........probably.

I think it's pretty clear that this thread has descended to where the GF intended it to- without addressing a single reality of Brexit yet again- bravo.

faith you are one of the very worst (both in your current and previous guises) for posting provactive comments then backing absolutely nothing up.

Am I?!

And you are one of the very worst of those who are stuck in a repetitive cycle of ‘why!’ ‘give me answers!’ ‘demonstrate how!’ etc

I don't doubt hat faith but the fact is those questions have to be answered- you just haven't grasped that yet.

This has been fun, I look forward to the next thread.

I have grasped it Bear.

I just don’t see what is to be achieved by constantly recycling the same thing over & over again.

As a PP said - our job as the electorate was to vote, that’s it.

I did a lot of reading & research prior to voting & on balance I decided that it was better to leave than to remain.

I came at it from a eurosceptic viewpoint (since Maastricht, and then Lisbon) and tended to look at Remain stuff over Brexit stuff during the months/weeks/days pre Ref as I wanted to see if I could be convinced otherwise - I was not, hence I voted to leave.

I don't doubt hat faith but the fact is those questions have to be answered- you just haven't grasped that yet.

The question was asked and answered on 23rd June 2016. You have spent the afternoon rehashing old ground.
It's a bit late for that now, the Remainers should have done a more convincing job earlier. The fact stands that Remainers didn't persuade the electorate when they had the chance.

They do have to be answered Bear but not necessarily by us.
That’s something you haven’t quite grasped yet.
You’ve been asking the same questions to the same people for well over a year.
I think you’ll just have to accept we haven’t got the answers you’re looking for & that maybe we don’t give a fuck?
I knew plenty of leavers who are just glad we’re leaving. End of.

on balance I decided that it was better to leave than to remain.

I know this is pointless but 'on balance' implies you looked at the consequences and summarised that they were outweighed by the benefits yet you can't even begin to address how the basic problems like NI and trade can be resolved and can't point to any tangible benefit of Leaving.

Where does your 'on balance' come in to it?

I think you’ll just have to accept we haven’t got the answers you’re looking for & that maybe we don’t give a fuck?

That says it all really.

That kind of ignorance appals me.

*I know this is pointless but 'on balance' implies you looked at the consequences and summarised that they were outweighed by the benefits yet you can't even begin to address how the basic problems like NI and trade can be resolved and can't point to any tangible benefit of Leaving.

Where does your 'on balance' come in to it?*

Perhaps if you’d read my post, you’d see where my ‘on balance’ came into it?

I was a eurosceptic who did not like what the EU had become, and the direction it was headed.

I looked to the Remain campaigners & reasoning to convince me otherwise.

They didn’t.

On balance, the things I didn’t like about the EU outweighed any argument put forward as good reasons to remain within.

Wrt all the specific things you mention re NI & trade - well that is massively outwith my job spec & there are people specifically employed to address these issues.

My part in this ended with my vote.

Sorry for starting this thread. I should have known how it would go.
Surfer et al, there are many of us Remainers who, rightly or wrongly, think that Brexit is going to be a total catastrophe that will completely fuck over our children.
I know you can't be arsed reading the Westministenders threads but, if you did, you will see several hundreds of links from reputable sources pointing to the evidence for this.
When your only comeback is 'maybe we don't give a fuck', does any part of you see why people who think that, given the evidence, Brexit is going to be a total disaster which will take a generation to get over which means that my children will be middle aged, get slightly annoyed?
Believe me, I would absolutely love to be proved wrong. Why would I want to sit here and see my children's future ruined?

What you should apologise for is the Goady opening paragraphs of your thread.

Just that really. 52% voted to leave. I know Mumsnet isn't completely representative of the electorate but you would expect at least a few people to be banging the Brexit drum. The ones that were quite vocal seem to have lost their voice. Perhaps they're just bored with the whole thing but their silence really is deafening

I'm not surprised people have been utterly flippant.

M4Dad What the fuck is goady about that? I was simply saying that, considering more than half the population voted for Brexit, you would expect to hear from quite a few Brexiters but for ages, they seem to have gone very quiet.

Why exactly would you expect to hear from them?

you would expect to hear from quite a few Brexiters

What do you want me to say? The negotiators are still shadow-boxing. Nothing will get decided until the last minute, it never does. They always go into the "talks all through the night" stage at the end.
I wish that Barnier would engage instead of stalling.

Brexit is going to be a total disaster which will take a generation to get over

But you can’t possibly know that. You’re buying into the remain scaremongering because they know exactly how to push your buttons. How can any ‘expert’ know that leaving the EU will be a disaster? we’ve never left before!
& It’s the uncertainty that’s causing problems, not leaving the EU itself.

I wish that Barnier would engage instead of stalling

He is engaging, he's just not rolling over and agreeing to everything we want- do you understand there is a difference?

Should I have started a thread saying that anything involving Juncker is always going to end badly?

Is that the kind of thing you want?

Since last time I kept quiet, as I got accused of being paid to post, not true.
Said we would go to no deal, and it still looks that way.
I do agree that apart from the vote, we can all do nothing until the EU accept time is running out, and they need to sort some kind of deal, or they will have trouble on their hands with no payoff and no deals.

surfer based on the information available there is little to suggest Brexit will be a success.

Those who bluster about it all being fine do so on the basis that we are going to retain frictionless trade and that is not going to happen if the red line is FOM.

I realise you genuinely don't give a shiney shite about that but it will adversely affect the very vast majority of people in the country.