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Westminstenders: Beano or Bust

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RedToothBrush · 29/09/2017 21:33

The last week has seemingly been eventful but not in the way that's on the surface.

It's what's going on behind the scenes and the little comments in less high profile speeches that's more telling.

On the one hand the Norths think the May speech is a laying down "an offer" that the EU can not accept, in order to set up a no deal situation.

On the other hand Telegraph Journalist Peter Foster thinks there things going on in Brussels with the EU set to compromise in someway and help May present a deal acceptable to the British. You have to wonder whether the "presentational" stuff is about a deal to essentially be in the EU but not in the EU. A Brexit Existing in A Name Only. Beano.

It's difficult to tell, and it will come down to brinkmanship over timing. For both a deal and for the Repel Bill as the two sides in parliament try to push things to their limit for their own ends.

In this vacuum of uncertainty CBI and their "arch enemies" the TUC have put out a joint statement saying no deal is nuts and will screw every one and the way EU cits have been treated has been dreadful.

As it stands it does look like May is serious about a deal and Davis is also acting in this way. Johnson and Hannan have launched their Institute for Free Trade (at the foreign office breaking ministerial code, but hell there's no consequences these days anyway cos May dare not let Johnson off the Brexit hook) in retaliation to try and retell the Brexit story as always being about free trade rather than racist. Unfortunately leavers seem to have bust that by admitting they are considerably more racist than Remainers by their own admission.

Then there's Trump and Bombardier. Just as Brexiteers are pushing for this closer relationship with the US in trade, despite May personally lobbying Trump he fucks her over slapping 220% tariff on Bombardier and putting the future of 4000 jobs at risk. This was inevitable as Trump fucks everyone for his own gain. The US won't ride to the aid of the British capitalists. They'll just eat them alive.

This week sees an important vote by the European Parliament on Brexit red lines. One of the votes states that the UK has to either stay in the customs union and internal market or NI has to have a special arrangement and stay in the customs union and the internal market in order to protect the EUs border integrity. Neither is compatible with what the Cons and the DUP have said they want.

It's also the Tory Party conference.May's big speech, in which she must throw red meat to the swivel eyed loons on right, is on Weds. There are of course, no debates at ConParty because, well, they can't behave like good little children without supervision. Instead the conference is to, erm... yeah we'll find out next week.

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TheNumberfaker · 30/09/2017 18:55

So which March will get any bigger coverage? Anti austerity or Stop Brexit?

BigChocFrenzy · 30/09/2017 19:17

Very apt from ^Matthew Parris:

On the morning after the last general election George Osborne called Theresa May a dead woman walking.

If anything he understated.^
^Her personal political death occurred on the pronouncement of the exit poll on election day.
^
Reanimated the following morning, she’s now a zombie prime minister leading a zombie cabinet in a zombie party gathering in Manchester for a conference of the walking dead.

Whatever these zombies’ message may sound like within the security zone, from outside we will only see mouths moving without sound or meaning.
Their leader is done for and their credibility is shot.
....
But unless quite soon somebody says “sod it, this can’t go on”
then the Conservative Party will continue marching, like an army of the undead, towards electoral doom.

Badders08 · 30/09/2017 20:01

Ds1 just asked me if we are getting popcorn for watching TM at the conference tomorrow...

LurkingHusband · 30/09/2017 21:20

Quite amused at Glenn Moores suggestion on Mock The Week that the slowly creeping extensions of Brexit were like long running shows that had none of the original cast Smile

Eeeeeowwwfftz · 30/09/2017 21:56

Presumably May won't be speaking till the end of the conference? The headline act normally comes last, right?

Theworldisfullofidiots · 30/09/2017 22:45

I'm hoping she isn't going to say too much. I need to buy euros

borntobequiet · 30/09/2017 23:15

So do I theworld. Hadn't thought of that, will buy beforehand just in case.

twofingerstoEverything · 01/10/2017 00:38

Placemat. No time to post, but reading avidly!

IdontlooklikeEmmaWatson · 01/10/2017 06:53

Has anyone kept all these threads as a hard copy or put them on a cloud or whatever it is that you can do with stuff nowadays ?

Frumpety If you wanted to archive the threads, open each thread, click 'Show 100 messages' > go to

File > Print > PDF > Save as PDF
or
File > Export as PDF.
Then repeat for each page on each thread.
It will take a while. Probably decent material for a media, social science or politics students here. Smile

frumpety · 01/10/2017 08:20

Idont I hadn't thought of their usefulness per se . Thank you for explaining how to do it though , I am not very good with IT if I am not using it for work Smile

frumpety · 01/10/2017 08:31

Actually even when I am using it for work , I haven't taken up the IT dept. advice about tattooing my doodah password onto a body part I am least likely to lose , I enjoy our weekly chats Blush

Peregrina · 01/10/2017 09:07

I wonder how the Catalan election will play out? I know that the Spanish Government has declared it illegal, but what if there is a 52:48 majority for Independence? Will we hear about the 'overwhelming' majority wanting it, and the will of the people?

woman11017 · 01/10/2017 09:25

Manchester route.
Poor Spain, Peregrina. Sad

Westminstenders: Beano or Bust
woman11017 · 01/10/2017 10:00

@JohnRentoul
£10bn for Help to Buy? Over what period? How is pushing up house prices going to help?

Private housing bung to grab 30-55 demographic.
Brexit is already bringing down London prices if it leads to a crash, how many trapped in negative equity will vote tory?

woman11017 · 01/10/2017 10:06

@IanDunt
May comes out for a referendum on the final deal

@paulwaugh
May, asked by @AndrewMarr9 if mistake to call snap elxn. "No…is it ever a mistake to give people the opportunity to vote?" Another one soon?

Grin Naughty Ian.

Peregrina · 01/10/2017 10:12

May comes out for a referendum on the final deal

Did she discuss this with David Davis? We were told the other day in the answer to our petition that we would either have to accept the deal as negotiated or crash out. There was no nonsense about consulting people - the will of the people in June 2016 was the once and for all decision.

woman11017 · 01/10/2017 10:36

@Reuters

Britain is working on plan for disorderly Brexit, PM May says
Shock

BiglyBadgers · 01/10/2017 10:51

I think this is a good article on why the conservative party is fucked when it comes to young voters. Whenever I hear a Tory speak about why they are losing the vote with the young it is clear they simply can't understand why Corbyn is popular. They don't get that it is about trust and consistency as much as policies. I have heard lots of Corbyn voters disagree with some of his policies, but they look at his voting record and what he says and they see him consistently supporting the same sort of things they believe to be important.

They believe he he shares the same fundamental principles as them and that when things get tough he will stick to them as he has done in the past.

This is why it will make no difference at all if the conservatives started giving out free houses and kittens to everyone under 30. The youth wont believe they mean it and there is nothing more scathing than a young person who thinks you are just trying to get them on side.

www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/this-data-shows-the-tories-are-even-more-toxic-with-young?bfsource=bbf_enuk&utm_term=.dyJwMeQk#.ctdGmQpl

prettybird · 01/10/2017 11:13

Only got a brief glance of May on Marr this morning (while getting my phone to go back to bed for a lie-in with a cup of tea Blush) but heard her spouting her normal sound bites of being there for "ordinary working people" "needing to reach out to the 'just about managing' " and some other vacuous twaddle Hmm dh was shouting at her to answer the fucking question

She really does think that if she repeats sound bites often enough, they become a reality and as an aside, aren't "non working" people ordinary too? Hmm

Looking at the BBC excerpts, I did like Marr's metaphor of Cabinet being a nest of singing birds with a very large cuckoo and couple of vultures in it. And when she was asked if Boris was unsackable, she answered with "Let me be clear" so that'll be a Yes then Wink

Theresa May: 'Cabinet is united in mission of this government'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41459686

LurkingHusband · 01/10/2017 11:29

I'm sounding like a broken record now ...

Housing crisis ? BUILD MORE HOUSES

The problem is that - for all the Tory rhetoric - people owning houses is not what they want. After all, once you own a house, you can flick a V at those everlasting revenue streams that the landowners of the UK have been bought up for centuries to think of as mine.

Dd anyone catch you & yours R4 Tuesday ? They discussed "fleeceholds" where people buying new builds are either saddled with a lease which doubles the ground rent ever 10 years (thus making them practically unsalable after a while) or when buying the freehold discover there are loads of covenants which involve forking out £500 a pop to the builders.

HesterThrale · 01/10/2017 11:33

When Marr asked if Boris was unsackable, I thought that was sheer panic on her face. She couldn't answer it, so spouted twaddle about the united government and what they'll do for people's jobs blah blah. As if...
Who is going to believe that? It just looks dishonest. Young people certainly won't. (Ref the good Buzzfeed article linked to above - thanks Bigly.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-41459686/theresa-may-cabinet-is-united-in-mission-of-this-government

frumpety · 01/10/2017 11:45

Lurking Vine did a segment on radio 2 about it a few weeks ago , David Cameron was mentioned as someone who has links to a company related to these 'fleeceholds' . Apparently in certain areas in Northern England it is difficult to buy a new build that isn't leasehold . Not sure of the exact figures though .

Holliewantstobehot · 01/10/2017 11:49

Yes rather put money into right to buy for naice middle class people than build decent social housing. Hmm

But then that would be trickle up and not trickle down. And we wouldn't want that would we. Not when trickle down works so well by stopping before it gets to the poor people the Tories hate.

In years to come people will study the conditions that allowed TM to stay on as PM.

RandomlyGenerated · 01/10/2017 12:07

Just watched Marr asking May the question about Johnson being sackable - I thought she was about to say something else for a moment before launching into “let me be very clear”, almost like it was a mantra that gave her a moment to think of what she should say rather than what she wanted to say.

woman11017 · 01/10/2017 12:14

Looking good, Manchester.Smile

Westminstenders: Beano or Bust