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Westminstenders: Beano or Bust

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RedToothBrush · 29/09/2017 21:33

The last week has seemingly been eventful but not in the way that's on the surface.

It's what's going on behind the scenes and the little comments in less high profile speeches that's more telling.

On the one hand the Norths think the May speech is a laying down "an offer" that the EU can not accept, in order to set up a no deal situation.

On the other hand Telegraph Journalist Peter Foster thinks there things going on in Brussels with the EU set to compromise in someway and help May present a deal acceptable to the British. You have to wonder whether the "presentational" stuff is about a deal to essentially be in the EU but not in the EU. A Brexit Existing in A Name Only. Beano.

It's difficult to tell, and it will come down to brinkmanship over timing. For both a deal and for the Repel Bill as the two sides in parliament try to push things to their limit for their own ends.

In this vacuum of uncertainty CBI and their "arch enemies" the TUC have put out a joint statement saying no deal is nuts and will screw every one and the way EU cits have been treated has been dreadful.

As it stands it does look like May is serious about a deal and Davis is also acting in this way. Johnson and Hannan have launched their Institute for Free Trade (at the foreign office breaking ministerial code, but hell there's no consequences these days anyway cos May dare not let Johnson off the Brexit hook) in retaliation to try and retell the Brexit story as always being about free trade rather than racist. Unfortunately leavers seem to have bust that by admitting they are considerably more racist than Remainers by their own admission.

Then there's Trump and Bombardier. Just as Brexiteers are pushing for this closer relationship with the US in trade, despite May personally lobbying Trump he fucks her over slapping 220% tariff on Bombardier and putting the future of 4000 jobs at risk. This was inevitable as Trump fucks everyone for his own gain. The US won't ride to the aid of the British capitalists. They'll just eat them alive.

This week sees an important vote by the European Parliament on Brexit red lines. One of the votes states that the UK has to either stay in the customs union and internal market or NI has to have a special arrangement and stay in the customs union and the internal market in order to protect the EUs border integrity. Neither is compatible with what the Cons and the DUP have said they want.

It's also the Tory Party conference.May's big speech, in which she must throw red meat to the swivel eyed loons on right, is on Weds. There are of course, no debates at ConParty because, well, they can't behave like good little children without supervision. Instead the conference is to, erm... yeah we'll find out next week.

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Badders08 · 30/09/2017 16:21

The man is s cockwomble of epic proportions

LurkingHusband · 30/09/2017 16:26

Don't they fix the module with sellatape and old socks? LH Sort of Clanger Brexit

In an almost comedy gold moment, they realise that because the two spacecraft were built by different companies, the CO2 scrubbers (which used the same technology) were also different, and could not be swapped. They had to improvise with what was in the spacecraft to rig up an airtight connection.

In reality, the ground crew worked ceaselessly and provided instructions for the astronauts.

For me there is no better example of what teamwork should be. If anyone had dropped the ball, we'd be talking about Apollo 13 in the same way as Apollo 1 Sad.

The reason the two units were not compatible, is because prior to the accident, no one had ever considered the possibility of having to use the Lunar Module as a lifeboat. (I would be curious to know if Apollos14-17 were modified so they were interchangeable ?).

Theworldisfullofidiots · 30/09/2017 16:27

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/lessons-of-life-in-a-tax-haven-1186963.html
This is a really interesting article from 1998, supposedly about Barbados but v interesting from a point of the EU, how much investment we were getting and potentially reasons for what's behind leave.

LurkingHusband · 30/09/2017 16:35

The man is s cockwomble of epic proportions

On R4 this morning, Matthew Parris was excoriating about Boris. The presenter (who I can't recall) had to gently chide him about hiding his true feelings Grin.

I think even Brexiteers are feeling a little nervous now ... who is running the show.

Later on in the programme, they were discussing Mark Carneys entry into the fray (which backs up my prediction that organisations are going to have to start hammering Brexit if they want to retain their reputations). Experts were noting that he was warning that as things are going an awful lot of UK-EU payments simply will not happen after March 2019. This single fact means that the BoE is ready to require banks and insurers to (a) hold more reserves and (b) write less business. Both things I have experience of, and both things which will kill off some UK insurers who are just hanging on by a thread.

So after Solvency II which pushed banks/insurers hard and which was an EU idea, we get "Brexit II". A self inflicted wound which risks seeing UK business either going under or (more probable) being bought up by non-UK/EU owners.

I wonder where the money to prop them up (again) will come from ?

Badders08 · 30/09/2017 16:41

I've found myself agreeing so often with m Parris since the EU ref
As a lifelong leftie I find this discombobulating 🤔

LurkingHusband · 30/09/2017 16:51

There was a time when not all Tories were cunts. Probably when they were "conservatives" back in the 50s and 60s.

I realised they were cunts when the 100 or so houses in our stretch of road (of 400 houses) didn't have a street party in 1977 "because of all the Indians there" (4 families). That motion was put forward by a Tory councillor, and passed.

And just as an illustration of how racism works, this prize cunt lived 3 doors down from us. So his son (one year below me in school) missed out too.

(In a nod to an old joke, it was an only son).

Before my DM passed, I checked my memory on this. I was right. But interestingly my DB, who still lives in that house, has said that said only child (now a councillor himself) has got very aggressive in local circles if anyone dares to repeat that story. And as I am trying to have a bit of a life, I have no idea if council minutes are kept that long, or how to see them if they are.

Still, my DF played him at his own game to get our extension approved. Fun with racists - can't be beat.

Badders08 · 30/09/2017 16:53

I don't believe you LH
Tories have always been cunts 😁

pointythings · 30/09/2017 17:13

Do puffins wank?

HashiAsLarry · 30/09/2017 17:42

It's very surreal and worrying when you open a westminstenders thread and the first post you see is:
Do puffins wank
Grin

Badders08 · 30/09/2017 17:44

How can they?
Feathers
Prob why they always look so angry?....

Badders08 · 30/09/2017 17:44

...also my theory as to why the T rex was so vicious

pointythings · 30/09/2017 17:45

Sorry, Hashi... Grin

But given how surreal our reality is at the moment it doesn't really make a difference, does it?

pointythings · 30/09/2017 17:51

Badders so are we now suggesting that Brexiteers tend towards the choleric because they, like puffins, don't wank enough?

BigChocFrenzy · 30/09/2017 17:53

LH Rather than Apollo 13, I've been thinking more of Capricorn One ....

first the faked landing because they couldn't achieve what they'd promised

  • and then when an explosion buggered up their brilliant plan, they desperately tried to murder the astronauts, to keep the fantasy going ...
Badders08 · 30/09/2017 17:55

Pointy....they certainly havent had enough affection in their lives imo...

BigChocFrenzy · 30/09/2017 18:01

Cunts & Housing

Before the Tories became the Nasty Party,
the One-Nation Tory PM Harold "SuperMac" McMillan (1950s )
built 300,000 houses per year,
with his party's enthusiastic support,
by cutting red tape and making it happen.

In the 1970s, the population increased by about 60,000 per year, but we built 250,000 houses p.a. Fine

Post-2004, the population increased 400,000 p.a. but only 150,000 houses built p.a.

No recent govt wants to build many houses, because it would reduce the windfall gains demanded by those who own houses - and also own sharp elbows

LurkingHusband · 30/09/2017 18:28

Do puffins wank?

I have no idea. I naively assumed that phrase was a MN trope ... (hence my post in "chat" a few days ago ....)

BigChocFrenzy · 30/09/2017 18:29

(paywall, Ultras) Theresa May must walk away from Brexit talks by Christmas if trade negotiations are still on hold

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/30/theresa-may-must-walk-away-brexit-talks-christmas-trade-negotiations/
.....
It comes after Jean-Claude Juncker, the President of the European Commission, said “miracles” would be needed for talks on a trade deal to begin by the end of October.

Mrs May looked humiliated on Friday when she attended an EU summit in Estonia
and was kept as far away as possible from the German Chancellor Angela Merkel in official pictures.

At one point Mrs Merkel appeared to be making a “binoculars” gesture towards Mrs May because she was so far away from her Hmm
.....
The pressure group Leave Means Leave today publishes a letter to Mrs May

in which Eurosceptic MPs and business leaders demand that
Britain gives notice of its intention to leave the EU on World Trade Organisation terms in March 2019

if talks on a trade deal are not well underway by Christmas.

The group counts 30 Tory MPs among its backers.

Talks have been deadlocked because the EU is refusing to discuss a future trade deal until disputes over
the Brexit divorce bill,
EU citizens’ rights
and the Northern Irish border have been settled,

but the Government’s position is that a trade deal must be discussed at the same time.

David Jones, who was until June one of Mrs May’s Brexit ministers and is one of the signatories to the letter, said:

“It’s very much in their citizens’ interests to talk about options after we leave the EU.
They are behaving really very badly, they are trying to hold us for ransom and we have to make it perfectly clear we are not prepared to be held to ransom.” Grin

The board of Leave Means Leave,
which includes the former environment secretary Owen Paterson, Peter Bone MP and Sir Gerald Howarth, a former defence minister, < most of the usual suspects >
has also signed the letter.

It says leaving on WTO rules is “not to be feared” and many businesses are already planning for that.
< yes, the Brexodus has started >
.....
The party conference in Manchester is seen by many as a make-or-break moment for Mrs May’s hopes of leading the Tories for years to come,
< Hmm I thought that idea was dead & buried >
and is likely to be dominated by Brexit and the leadership question.
.....
More pressure was piled on Mrs May by Ruth Davidson,
the Scottish Conservatives leader seen as a potential successor,
who said she must “step up” her efforts to connect with young voters who have been “overlooked for too long” by the Tories.
...
Mrs May faces four separate rebellions going into the four-day conference, .... Shock

As well as the Christmas trade talks deadline set by her own MPs,
she faces calls to pause the roll-out of Universal Credit;
to relax her migration targets
and to follow through on a manifesto pledge to cap energy tariffs.

LurkingHusband · 30/09/2017 18:29

Capricorn One

Was that Telly Savalas hamming it up ... "Preverts !!!" ???

Good book + film, as I recall.

BigChocFrenzy · 30/09/2017 18:30

Full text of ravings / Leave Means Leave letter:

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu/leave-means-leave-letter-prime-minister/

BigChocFrenzy · 30/09/2017 18:38

No Telly Savalas, but it's probably the best-known film with O.J. Simpson
Crikey, I keep thinking of Capricorn One as a recent film ... but it was 1977 Blush < crawls back into coffin >
Hence probably only Pegrina and I remember it !

BigChocFrenzy · 30/09/2017 18:39

oops, Peregrine

BigChocFrenzy · 30/09/2017 18:40

Peregrina - autocorrect hates you !

Holliewantstobehot · 30/09/2017 18:40

Laughing at "delaying the benefits of brexit" and the comment underneath that poorer families will benefit the most from brexit.

LurkingHusband · 30/09/2017 18:42

Hence probably only Pegrina and I remember it

I read the book (DM had it) when it came out. Saw the film when it was shown on TV.

Telly Savalas is the crop sprayer pilot ???

Sam Waterstone was one of the astronauts ...

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