Westminstenders: Beano or Bust

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The last week has seemingly been eventful but not in the way that's on the surface.

It's what's going on behind the scenes and the little comments in less high profile speeches that's more telling.

On the one hand the Norths think the May speech is a laying down "an offer" that the EU can not accept, in order to set up a no deal situation.

On the other hand Telegraph Journalist Peter Foster thinks there things going on in Brussels with the EU set to compromise in someway and help May present a deal acceptable to the British. You have to wonder whether the "presentational" stuff is about a deal to essentially be in the EU but not in the EU. A Brexit Existing in A Name Only. Beano.

It's difficult to tell, and it will come down to brinkmanship over timing. For both a deal and for the Repel Bill as the two sides in parliament try to push things to their limit for their own ends.

In this vacuum of uncertainty CBI and their "arch enemies" the TUC have put out a joint statement saying no deal is nuts and will screw every one and the way EU cits have been treated has been dreadful.

As it stands it does look like May is serious about a deal and Davis is also acting in this way. Johnson and Hannan have launched their Institute for Free Trade (at the foreign office breaking ministerial code, but hell there's no consequences these days anyway cos May dare not let Johnson off the Brexit hook) in retaliation to try and retell the Brexit story as always being about free trade rather than racist. Unfortunately leavers seem to have bust that by admitting they are considerably more racist than Remainers by their own admission.

Then there's Trump and Bombardier. Just as Brexiteers are pushing for this closer relationship with the US in trade, despite May personally lobbying Trump he fucks her over slapping 220% tariff on Bombardier and putting the future of 4000 jobs at risk. This was inevitable as Trump fucks everyone for his own gain. The US won't ride to the aid of the British capitalists. They'll just eat them alive.

This week sees an important vote by the European Parliament on Brexit red lines. One of the votes states that the UK has to either stay in the customs union and internal market or NI has to have a special arrangement and stay in the customs union and the internal market in order to protect the EUs border integrity. Neither is compatible with what the Cons and the DUP have said they want.

It's also the Tory Party conference.May's big speech, in which she must throw red meat to the swivel eyed loons on right, is on Weds. There are of course, no debates at ConParty because, well, they can't behave like good little children without supervision. Instead the conference is to, erm... yeah we'll find out next week.

The reality is no one else wants the job isn't it.

Boris will run a mile before taking it on at the moment and the rest are even worse than him, and that's saying something.

Whatever you think of BJ, he's clever- sadly he uses that to further his own cause rather than for the good of the country but he's not stupid.

When is someone going to put their head above the parapet and concede we're heading for disaster and the only way to prevent it is to admit it.

I actually feel quite disgusted with all the mps who know that Brexit will be a disaster and won't say it. I have a theory that they are the ones who spend the first minute of any brexit question as follows: well let me be clear the people have spoken and we are leaving the eu. There can be no doubt on that. None at all. We had a referendum and the people have spoken and now we must do what they have told us to do......and repeat, repeat, repeat. Until told by Jonathan Dimbleby to answer the effing question.

Ruth Davidson is an opportunist like most politicians : she was parachuted into the Glasgow Conservative List constituency ahead of our local very good even if he was a Tory councillor . She then abandoned the West of Scotland to go across to the East to stand in Edinburgh Central in both the constituency and the top of the Edinburgh(?) list (so she was getting in whatever).

She does seen genuine in her desire to stay in Scotland though - she claims that her ambition is to be First Minister of Scotland.

On HIGNFY Ian Hislop described Boris as an arsonist who wants to come back as a fireman ...

This article by Dutch Catalonians who have experienced the rise in nationalism in that area, does read a bit like EU residents who have suffered here since brexit. Interesting read.

www.expansion.com/opinion/2017/10/06/59d7672ee2704e625e8b4587.html

Wonder if the bunnies are brushing up on their Spanish bigly.

If Theresa May were to step down, Boris would have to put up this time, or else he would be a complete laughing stock. So I really think he does want TM to stay, so that he can have a go at the job after the next election.

I actually feel quite disgusted with all the mps who know that Brexit will be a disaster and won't say it.

It does have shades of 'only following orders' doesn't it? When there's food riots and martial law and no planes flying they'll all just spread their hands and say 'we did what you told us, it's not our fault.' It is their job to do what is in the best interest of the country it is not their job to pander to lies in order to be popular. I bet 'the people' would prefer competent, ethical, efficient politicians to likeable ones. I know I would.

Boris doesn't want to be PM. Not now at least. He wants to be sacked and come back the 'hero'.

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I haven't read the whole thread but re the PP who posted the article from i about the Tories being toxic to young people (young being classed as under 45) this is the photo that went with it - Tory delegates lining up to get in on the first day of the conference

I am finding this fascinating. A few months ago, I would have bet everything on the Tories being in power for the next 10 years. It's bizarre watching them implode.

And I have no sympathy whatsoever with TM. In my job, I have seen 3 people die as a direct result of this government's policies and countless others suffer humiliation and abject poverty. I constantly see families of 4 or 5 people living in a tiny room with mice and cockroaches and sharing a kitchen and bathroom with 3 or 4 other families. I have been doing this job for 20 years and it didn't used to be like this. Last week I saw an 8 month old baby who had been bitten by a rat and a toddler who had to go to A&E after eating rat poison. I give out at least 10 food bank vouchers a week - more often than not to families where at least one parent is working.
We are one of the richest countries in the world. It's just wrong. It's indefensible.

newsthump.com/2017/10/05/people-start-to-feel-a-bit-sorry-for-theresa-may-then-remember-its-theresa-may/

It is understood that a brief moment of sympathy followed by an overwhelming feeling of ‘screw you, you deserve it’, is the best reaction Theresa May has ever got from the British public and, as such, she considers the speech a success.

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I think it speaks volumes about the UK that you need a referral to a food bank, or a voucher.

It seems to me that it is a peculiar society indeed where people are so suspicious of others that they think they would abuse food banks. Or where people might indeed abuse food banks.

IDontLookLikeEmmaWatson posted this upthread, and I think it rings true:
People vote for them because they believe in the 'deserving and non deserving' ideology refusing to acknowledge the privileges people are born into determine so much of our 'luck'. I believe many British (English?) people are stuck in a basic victorian frame of mind.

I live in the US. It boggles my mind.

(MsHoolies- not criticising you for giving out the vouchers, but the system where there are vouchers, iyswim).

The only way TM will be pushed out is if the hard Brexiters, incl Steve Baker, feel strongly enough that they are not going to get their preferred exit from the EU under TM. She is their hostage, and her successor will be too (if TM digs in her heels on Brexit, and then gets bumped.)

I would expect that if TM goes soon, some pawn or puppet will be installed who will do the bidding of the Baker circle. Iirc, Leadsom was the preferred candidate of some people with far higher IQs than hers last time round.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/andrea-leadsom-tea-party
Leadsom - pawn, puppet---> trojan horse?
I suspect that Leadsom would be the preferred candidate of Donald J. Trump.

(Wonder if the ALEC group mentioned in this article has anything to do with current events in Catalonia? It strikes me that it's far more likely that US interests/groups and not Russian ones are fomenting outbreaks of right wing, nationalist problems in the EU. As evidenced by the US-led pressure on tariffs in the WTO after Brexit, the US sees the EU as a fortress that must be breached.)

Meanwhile in Dail Fail la la land

How Britain is ruled by patronising b*#**@rds: QUENTIN LETTS names the worst offenders among the People Who Know Best who never tire of telling us what to do and think*

The government machine was used remorselessly to help Remain. We were muck-spreadered with warnings of hideous consequences from Brexit. The Governor of the Bank of England, Mark Carney, was mobilised. His friend George Osborne (top left) was Chancellor and, so far as the two of them could see, Remain was bound to win, and Clever George would become prime minister before the next general election. From comedians to bishops (hard to say which of those two groups is funnier), fund managers to charity-sector tsars, Brexit was as pongy as a bad sardine. They did not just oppose it. They recoiled from it - including (also top to bottom, left to right): Amanda Abbington, Kwasi Kwarteng, Gary Lineker, Chris Martin, J, K, Rowling, James Corden and Keira Knightley.

They are still bleating this utter nonsense, on and on. Do people actually believe this nonsense, i mean apart from bat shit crazy ones?

I can't read much of this (paywall) but apparently the EU are talking more often to Labour now in the fear that the Tories will lose power before Brexit is a done deal. 'They are 'seeking assurances that JC will honour agreements reached with the Conservatives if he comes to power'.

That would be galling, if Labour got in and had to continue down a hard Brexit path started by the Tories. Although they are still saying they 'respect the result of the referendum', they say they want to pursue a 'jobs first Brexit'. I'm sure that wouldn't be the same as a Tory Brexit.
I have written to Labour head office about Brexit (though I'm not a member) and had a detailed and thoughtful reply. More than I had from my flown-in-from-Head-Office new Tory MP, who has not yet replied to any of my emails/ letters. (I think local Tory constituency parties are cross about these imported candidates, and lack of local ones being allowed. Ours certainly seems to be building no connections with the area.)

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/06/eu-steps-brexit-talks-labour-fears-theresa-mays-government-will/amp/

Hester - is it possible to summarise the reply from Labour HQ in a sentence or two?

That would be galling, if Labour got in and had to continue down a hard Brexit path started by the Tories

Thing is, would they get in if they were to do that ? I wouldn't vote for them. To be fair, I think I'd rather not vote at all.

I have been doing this job for 20 years and it didn't used to be like this. Last week I saw an 8 month old baby who had been bitten by a rat and a toddler who had to go to A&E after eating rat poison

That is utterly awful, MrsHooliesCardigan The tories always were an evil bunch, but this crew are unspeakable. Just
IDS and Hunt know what they were doing. They all do.

I think it speaks volumes about the UK that you need a referral to a food bank, or a voucher

Yes math I volunteered at a british food bank. Those in utter penury have to get permission for food from a professional. When I was doing it they were allowed just 3 tokens. It is a crumby system, putting victims of poverty and the lovely professionals and volunteers who keep it going in an impossible position, of having to check food vouchers while stacks of donated food sit on shelves behind them. A few yards away, Marks and Spencers is throwing away industrial quantities of un used food.

I've tried to get a food back up and running in my village
there is one in the next town - about 5 miles away on main roads with no footpath - no one could walk it safely
The lady from trussel trust was very nice but basically it was a "no sorry"
Then I tried to get the church involved....no interest

Food banks are a tax on the decent. I am happy to contribute to them but it angers me that someone else who earns 2-3x as much as me can decide to contribute nothing because they prefer to hoard their wealth. I'd rather we all contribute via a fairer tax system.

Badders I just don't understand why there are so many unelected gate keepers to people like you wanting to do something good in local community.

Charities, after having done so much great work for generations, are being compromised too.

Agree bolsh . Taxed services should at least have public accountability.

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Thing is, would they get in if they were to do that ? I wouldn't vote for them. To be fair, I think I'd rather not vote at all.

LH it is really no good thinking like that! People not voting was partially responsible for creating this mess in the first place.

Although I'm massively devastated and mystified by the EU stance of the current Labour Party, anything is better than the dire depths we are in at the moment.

A coalition of Cheetahs or an Obstinacy of Buffalo would do a better job than our current selection.

So my view is at the first opportunity we vote for anything,anything else at all and keep on going on with protests, marches and on social media until we get something better.

I must admit to feeling really frustrated by it
Sadly I live right on the border of two counties so even getting people/companies/local govt to admit we fall under their aegis is pretty hard