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Westminstenders: Beano or Bust

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RedToothBrush · 29/09/2017 21:33

The last week has seemingly been eventful but not in the way that's on the surface.

It's what's going on behind the scenes and the little comments in less high profile speeches that's more telling.

On the one hand the Norths think the May speech is a laying down "an offer" that the EU can not accept, in order to set up a no deal situation.

On the other hand Telegraph Journalist Peter Foster thinks there things going on in Brussels with the EU set to compromise in someway and help May present a deal acceptable to the British. You have to wonder whether the "presentational" stuff is about a deal to essentially be in the EU but not in the EU. A Brexit Existing in A Name Only. Beano.

It's difficult to tell, and it will come down to brinkmanship over timing. For both a deal and for the Repel Bill as the two sides in parliament try to push things to their limit for their own ends.

In this vacuum of uncertainty CBI and their "arch enemies" the TUC have put out a joint statement saying no deal is nuts and will screw every one and the way EU cits have been treated has been dreadful.

As it stands it does look like May is serious about a deal and Davis is also acting in this way. Johnson and Hannan have launched their Institute for Free Trade (at the foreign office breaking ministerial code, but hell there's no consequences these days anyway cos May dare not let Johnson off the Brexit hook) in retaliation to try and retell the Brexit story as always being about free trade rather than racist. Unfortunately leavers seem to have bust that by admitting they are considerably more racist than Remainers by their own admission.

Then there's Trump and Bombardier. Just as Brexiteers are pushing for this closer relationship with the US in trade, despite May personally lobbying Trump he fucks her over slapping 220% tariff on Bombardier and putting the future of 4000 jobs at risk. This was inevitable as Trump fucks everyone for his own gain. The US won't ride to the aid of the British capitalists. They'll just eat them alive.

This week sees an important vote by the European Parliament on Brexit red lines. One of the votes states that the UK has to either stay in the customs union and internal market or NI has to have a special arrangement and stay in the customs union and the internal market in order to protect the EUs border integrity. Neither is compatible with what the Cons and the DUP have said they want.

It's also the Tory Party conference.May's big speech, in which she must throw red meat to the swivel eyed loons on right, is on Weds. There are of course, no debates at ConParty because, well, they can't behave like good little children without supervision. Instead the conference is to, erm... yeah we'll find out next week.

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prettybird · 06/10/2017 19:46

I can't find it in myself to feel any sympathy for Gordon Brown.

He was Chancellor for long enough and could have improved, strengthened and/or not weakened the controls on the financial sector (the lack of which contributed to led to the financial crash and the ensuing pain and hardship for so many people but not him ) but chose not to Hmm

He even had the arrogance to say he had "banished boom and bust" - while having presided over the regime that led to the worst of "boom and bust" and led directly to the years of austerity, since we hadn't built up any reserves (because of his hubris) during the "boom" years, so had nothing to mitigate the effects of a global recession (which, far from "saving the world from" as he claimed, he had helped create). Angry

And then once he was PM, he allowed people to excoriate Alistair Darling for saying that we/the world was in a financially precarious situation and was a house of cards waiting to fall over which it was Angry

He was happy to take the credit for the "good" years, but the bad years were nowt to do with him. Hmm

....and breeaatthe Wink

HashiAsLarry · 06/10/2017 19:55

I agree mainly with pretty regarding Brown except I did feel immense sympathy for him over the death of his child, and the illness of another. I also feel similarly for Cameron. Still blame the bastsrds for the state they left the country in.

prettybird · 06/10/2017 19:56

Bigly (ad Badders ) - I don't disagree with you about feeling pity for May as a person during that speech.

I won't, however, feel for sorry for her for the content of that speech and the hypocrisy within it. The housebuilding "commitment was pathetic (both in the amount committed versus need and the fact that RTB is still enshrined within English legislation, including Housing association homes). Her comments about immigration.... well, need I say more? Angry. The only bit of her speech that I was impressed with was the announcement that they would legislate to change "Opt-in" to "Opt-out" for organ donation - but it seemed a strange thing for a PM to put into her conference speech maybe it was to show she wasn't heartless Wink

prettybird · 06/10/2017 19:58

Hashi - yes, I felt sorry for him (and Cameron) about their children. What happened was tragic. But that was as fathers not as PMs.

Badders08 · 06/10/2017 20:00

I think she is a despicable person and I loathe all she stands for
However that does not preclude me feeling sorry for her...she is obv ill
I realise that prob makes me a fool
I can live with that

HashiAsLarry · 06/10/2017 20:00

Maybe shes hoping she can force someone to donate her a heart Wink

BiglyBadgers · 06/10/2017 20:01

I won't, however, feel for sorry for her for the content of that speech and the hypocrisy within it.

I don't think anyone ever suggested you should and I certainly see no reason for feeling sorry for someone because they said something hypocritical. The sympathy was for the cough, the falling letters and the prank. All of which are just the sort of things that inhabit my most terrifying anxiety dreams.

squishysquirmy · 06/10/2017 20:03

I felt sorry for TM during that speech, and I felt sorry for her before because I don't think she has ever really been in control (even if she thought she was). Doesn't mean I am any less angry with her, and it doesn't mean that I like her.
I don't think I want her to go, though. As awful as she is, the alternatives are terrible. I was thinking back to how good she looked in comparison to the other candidates at the last leadership bid - almost anyone looks good compared to Leadsom, Boris and Gove. In general, it looks like the faction that want her to go are the hard right, cliff edge Brexit nutters - is that right? Or are the more moderate MPs agitating to get rid of her too?

If the events of 2016 and 2017 have taught me anything it is that no matter how bad things are they can always, always get worse.

Maybe, just maybe, she could scrape back a smattering of respect by taking the high risk gamble of calling the trouble makers' bluff by sacking Boris.

Badders08 · 06/10/2017 20:05

That's what she should do
She seems unable to

prettybird · 06/10/2017 20:06

As I said - I agree with you about that Bigly , having done a fair bit of public speaking/presentations myself Smile although at least I do know that if you've got a bad frog in your throat, you take a good long drink and not just a gulp or two repeatedly

And as a few have said, the worst thing for a PM is that the best feeling that people have for him/her is pity.....

prettybird · 06/10/2017 20:17

I remember in advance of the Referendum a small part of me wanting Leave to win and Scotland to vote strongly Remain as that would help the cause of independence. I squashed that feeling as being unworthy of me and not fair on the English who would have to bear the brunt of such a stupid decision.

I do know of Scots who were in favour of the EU but deliberately voted Leave because they "wanted to show that bitch Nicola Sturgeon that she couldn't claim Scotland was different " Hmm I bet they feel a bit silly now

Even in my worst dreams, I didn't think that Westminster would deliberately preside over such a clusterfuck, putting internal party feuds ahead of the good of the UK Angry, espcially when they had insisted that the referendum was only advisory. And I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel Sad

mathanxiety · 06/10/2017 20:34

I agree with Peston and also Peter Foster wrt the shenanigans currently afoot.

It is time for May and whatever supporters she has to tell the wannabes to piss or get off the pot.

I do not think merely firing Boris would make him slink off quietly into the night. He is at this point the Rasputin of British politics, with very few options available to TM to truly neutralise him.

George Osborne has demonstrated how an outcast can find a pulpit and carry on regardless of banishment.

Holliewantstobehot · 06/10/2017 20:56

Really enjoyed the audience laughing at Andrea Leadsom saying the cabinet are united behind TM on any questions.

BestIsWest · 06/10/2017 21:46

Re Amber Rudd Nicholas Soames could vacate his nearby Mid Sussex seat in her favour

How does this work? Can she step directly into his seat without a by- election? And then another one in her own seat with its 348 or whatever majority. Risky surely?

Peregrina · 06/10/2017 21:51

No, there would have to be by-elections, but with a huge majority the chances of Soames's changing hands are slender. But it would be risky because you can be 100% sure that Labour would target Amber Rudd's old seat, and TM can't afford to lose one and let Labour gain one.

prettybird · 06/10/2017 21:54

Re Amber Rudd - I think Soames' offer is more to do with enduring that she has a "safe" seat in any forthcoming general election, not that she'd transfer there in the interim and trigger risky by-elections.

Peregrina · 06/10/2017 21:59

The seat for Amber Rudd would be Maidenhead, because if TM quits as PM, I think she would leave politics at the next election.

Bearbehind · 06/10/2017 22:03

Is there any possibility Ruth Davidson would run for PM?

I don't know the ins and outs of the complexities but she's the only front line Tory I have even a modicum of faith in right now.

prettybird · 06/10/2017 22:03

I LOLed at that Peregrina Grin

But so true!!

BiglyBadgers · 06/10/2017 22:03

This is behind a paywall, but looks interesting especially coming form the telegraph

EU steps up Brexit talks with Labour over fears Theresa May's government will fall
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/06/eu-steps-brexit-talks-labour-fears-theresa-mays-government-will/amp/

I was just thinking that surely with all this crazy kicking off we must be due a visitor soon. It's been a while since out last brexit bunny came calling and they do tend to pop up when things take a turn for the mad.

BiglyBadgers · 06/10/2017 22:06

I don't know the ins and outs of the complexities but she's the only front line Tory I have even a modicum of faith in right now.

She does seem the best option, but they would have to do some magic to get her a safe seat and of course she would have to be mad enough to want the job.

prettybird · 06/10/2017 22:07

Grin Bigly

Have we got our recipes at the ready? Wink

Got some good pictures of my garden in September - but could add in some home baking pictures Grin

woman11017 · 06/10/2017 22:09

Is there any possibility Ruth Davidson would run for PM
She's not an MP, and I read, doesn't want to be one in england.

Bearbehind · 06/10/2017 22:14

She does seem the best option, but they would have to do some magic to get her a safe seat and of course she would have to be mad enough to want the job.

I live in a Tory safe seat- she could come here!

HashiAsLarry · 06/10/2017 22:16

Id take Rudd over our complete arsehole, sorry, mp. Were safe safe safe too.