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Brexit

Westminstenders: Beano or Bust

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RedToothBrush · 29/09/2017 21:33

The last week has seemingly been eventful but not in the way that's on the surface.

It's what's going on behind the scenes and the little comments in less high profile speeches that's more telling.

On the one hand the Norths think the May speech is a laying down "an offer" that the EU can not accept, in order to set up a no deal situation.

On the other hand Telegraph Journalist Peter Foster thinks there things going on in Brussels with the EU set to compromise in someway and help May present a deal acceptable to the British. You have to wonder whether the "presentational" stuff is about a deal to essentially be in the EU but not in the EU. A Brexit Existing in A Name Only. Beano.

It's difficult to tell, and it will come down to brinkmanship over timing. For both a deal and for the Repel Bill as the two sides in parliament try to push things to their limit for their own ends.

In this vacuum of uncertainty CBI and their "arch enemies" the TUC have put out a joint statement saying no deal is nuts and will screw every one and the way EU cits have been treated has been dreadful.

As it stands it does look like May is serious about a deal and Davis is also acting in this way. Johnson and Hannan have launched their Institute for Free Trade (at the foreign office breaking ministerial code, but hell there's no consequences these days anyway cos May dare not let Johnson off the Brexit hook) in retaliation to try and retell the Brexit story as always being about free trade rather than racist. Unfortunately leavers seem to have bust that by admitting they are considerably more racist than Remainers by their own admission.

Then there's Trump and Bombardier. Just as Brexiteers are pushing for this closer relationship with the US in trade, despite May personally lobbying Trump he fucks her over slapping 220% tariff on Bombardier and putting the future of 4000 jobs at risk. This was inevitable as Trump fucks everyone for his own gain. The US won't ride to the aid of the British capitalists. They'll just eat them alive.

This week sees an important vote by the European Parliament on Brexit red lines. One of the votes states that the UK has to either stay in the customs union and internal market or NI has to have a special arrangement and stay in the customs union and the internal market in order to protect the EUs border integrity. Neither is compatible with what the Cons and the DUP have said they want.

It's also the Tory Party conference.May's big speech, in which she must throw red meat to the swivel eyed loons on right, is on Weds. There are of course, no debates at ConParty because, well, they can't behave like good little children without supervision. Instead the conference is to, erm... yeah we'll find out next week.

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BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2017 16:50

Maybe it's because she had to give up her humanity to achieve this
and collaborate with total shits in her oarty

woman11017 · 06/10/2017 16:51

Proposed Misconduct in Public Office action on referendum and brexit.

@wolchover
Wolchover Action Retweeted Gina Miller
Brexit has no legal Mandate - complaints to the police this week - lodge your complaint - @woolchover

bit.ly/2gDpm5a

drive.google.com/file/d/0B2nKZvHK-6NjUXdsMl9SSGRjN1k/view

What was that about civil servants keeping very close records of what they have been asked to do?

lalalonglegs · 06/10/2017 16:54

The Guardian has run a list of possible May replacements. It suggests Nicolas Soames would vacate his seat for Amber Rudd if she were to win...

LurkingHusband · 06/10/2017 16:55

^She's wanted to be PM since Uni, according to her contemporaries

  • she's now finding that sometimes after achieving your lifetime ambition, the prize turns to ashes^

Since this thread contains discussions of pity for politicians, one I did feel sorry for was Gordon Brown ... from all accounts he was right royally stitched up by Blair (and we all know how that feels) and having finally achieved the ultimate role of PM had it all turn to crap in his 3 years.

That said, he lost a lot of my sympathy by dodging an election (Theresa May successor take note). As much as I detested Blair, I would have voted Labour in 2007 as I suspect a lot of people would.

I really CBA to dig into history, but would my feeling that replacement leaders who immediately go to the country after taking over tend to win ? Sort of British "give a person a chance" sort of view ?

HesterThrale · 06/10/2017 17:06

But apparently Boris is on the naughty step with Tories. There is 'talk of getting 48 backbenchers to write to Graham Brady... asking him to seek Boris's resignation'.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tories-line-up-against-selfserving-boris-johnson-after-conference-fiasco-a3651346.html?amp

LurkingHusband · 06/10/2017 17:19

No one wants to be the next leader. Everybody wants to be the one after ...

BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2017 17:29

I would say she'll fall on her sword - but on current performance, she'd miss ! Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2017 17:32

Politically speaking, Boris just gets out his whanger and pisses into any bowl of porridge he sees.

I'm amazed any MP would still support him

Especially Nadine Dorries, considering her views on abortion
But I suppose there are different rules for Bullingdon Boys and plebs

LurkingHusband · 06/10/2017 17:34

Politically speaking, Boris just gets out his whanger

Mind bleach to aisle five ....

GlassOfPort · 06/10/2017 17:55

That list of possible May successors makes for grim reading...Hammond is the best we could hope for and even that is unlikely to happen...

woman11017 · 06/10/2017 18:01

Can some one good at graphs explain this one:
Is the correct answer Gove?

Westminstenders: Beano or Bust
woman11017 · 06/10/2017 18:10

@adampayne26
EXCLUSIVE: "Anything can happen" — Andrea Leadsom refuses to rule out a bid to succeed Theresa May... interview here uk.businessinsider.com/andrea-leadsom-leadership-bid-theresa-may-conservative-conference-2017-10 …

BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2017 18:17

woman That graph is just saying that this is the clearly most experienced cabinet we've had since at least 1997 ...

(and since they are still totally shit at governing, it means experience can't compensate for politicians being without talent or morals )

BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2017 18:18

Whatever the question, the answer cannot be Gove ...
Or Bojo, or Moggie, or DD, or any other from the crowd of horrors

BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2017 18:19

And it definitely shouldn't be Loathsome again Shock

Holliewantstobehot · 06/10/2017 18:36

That WhatsApp article just confirms we are being governed by a group of year 9 school kids fighting to see whose gang rules the playground. Which explains a lot.

I felt sorry for Gordon Brown too lurkingdad. He takes over finally and we have floods and a financial crisis. I think he did actually want to make things better for people. I don't hate Jeremy Corbyn but I do wish Labour had a more centrist leader. I feel Jeremy Corbyn has taken the party to the left and it could now stay there but with the extreme edges knocked off a little.

Philip and Teresa must have some money stashed away. If I was Philip I'd say come on love this is going to end badly no matter what, leave them to fight over the leadership and we'll sod off round the world on an extended walking holiday.

LurkingHusband · 06/10/2017 18:43

Have started a thread in news, but for anyone who was starting to feel some pity ...

www.theguardian.com/society/video/2017/oct/01/penalised-for-caring-alyssa-and-the-two-child-benefits-trap

Alyssa became a 'kinship carer' for her younger siblings when their mother unexpectedly died in 2013. Now that she has decided to start her own family, the government refuses to grant her tax credits or a Sure Start maternity loan due to the two-child benefits cap

woman11017 · 06/10/2017 18:45

Only three MPs call for Theresa May to resign imminently, Sky poll finds
news.sky.com/story/amp/only-three-mps-call-for-theresa-may-to-resign-imminently-sky-poll-finds-11069763
She won't go. They won't let her.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/10/2017 18:55

That's horrendous, LH Sad

I admit I'm one of those callous people who doesn't feel sympathy for Pol Pot, Hitler & Eva Braun, Saddam Hussein, Gadaffi et al and I won't feel sympathy if Assad or Putin suffers a similar fate.
I may shudder at a gruesome end, man's inhumanity to man / woman, but that's a separate matter

BiglyBadgers · 06/10/2017 19:20

I have no difficulty feeling empathy towards another human being while still despising their actions and what they stand for. I think we are all just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Badders08 · 06/10/2017 19:26

Agree bigly

BiglyBadgers · 06/10/2017 19:28

I am not going to try and persuade anyone else to feel sorry for May. In turn i would appreciate it if people stopped trying to convince me that it is wrong for me to feel some empathy for someone clearly suffering.

I would also appreciate it you could stop implying that feeling sorry for May during her speech somehow means I do not feel sorry for those she has harmed. It is not an either or situation. I can feel sorry for her and all the people suffering because of her.

Badders08 · 06/10/2017 19:29

Yep. Exactly.

Somerville · 06/10/2017 19:44

I've just read about the fringe event from a few days ago, with O'Neill and Foster. Sounds like same old, same old.

David Blevins @skydavidblevins
Michelle O'Neill: "The North isn't British". Arlene Foster: "Northern Ireland is British". Eight hundred years of history in eight words.

These politicians can barely share the same stage. I don't know how an accommodation on border issues could ever happen.

I wonder when the government will realise that they've sacrificed the NI peace process on the altar of Brexit.

And NI is also relevant to the rumbling empathy discussion on this thread. Feeling hatred is easy, in the face of injustice. But hatred so easily tips over into othering those we disagree with, and thus becoming what it was we condemned.

DrivenToDespair · 06/10/2017 19:46

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