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Westminstenders: Beano or Bust

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RedToothBrush · 29/09/2017 21:33

The last week has seemingly been eventful but not in the way that's on the surface.

It's what's going on behind the scenes and the little comments in less high profile speeches that's more telling.

On the one hand the Norths think the May speech is a laying down "an offer" that the EU can not accept, in order to set up a no deal situation.

On the other hand Telegraph Journalist Peter Foster thinks there things going on in Brussels with the EU set to compromise in someway and help May present a deal acceptable to the British. You have to wonder whether the "presentational" stuff is about a deal to essentially be in the EU but not in the EU. A Brexit Existing in A Name Only. Beano.

It's difficult to tell, and it will come down to brinkmanship over timing. For both a deal and for the Repel Bill as the two sides in parliament try to push things to their limit for their own ends.

In this vacuum of uncertainty CBI and their "arch enemies" the TUC have put out a joint statement saying no deal is nuts and will screw every one and the way EU cits have been treated has been dreadful.

As it stands it does look like May is serious about a deal and Davis is also acting in this way. Johnson and Hannan have launched their Institute for Free Trade (at the foreign office breaking ministerial code, but hell there's no consequences these days anyway cos May dare not let Johnson off the Brexit hook) in retaliation to try and retell the Brexit story as always being about free trade rather than racist. Unfortunately leavers seem to have bust that by admitting they are considerably more racist than Remainers by their own admission.

Then there's Trump and Bombardier. Just as Brexiteers are pushing for this closer relationship with the US in trade, despite May personally lobbying Trump he fucks her over slapping 220% tariff on Bombardier and putting the future of 4000 jobs at risk. This was inevitable as Trump fucks everyone for his own gain. The US won't ride to the aid of the British capitalists. They'll just eat them alive.

This week sees an important vote by the European Parliament on Brexit red lines. One of the votes states that the UK has to either stay in the customs union and internal market or NI has to have a special arrangement and stay in the customs union and the internal market in order to protect the EUs border integrity. Neither is compatible with what the Cons and the DUP have said they want.

It's also the Tory Party conference.May's big speech, in which she must throw red meat to the swivel eyed loons on right, is on Weds. There are of course, no debates at ConParty because, well, they can't behave like good little children without supervision. Instead the conference is to, erm... yeah we'll find out next week.

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RedToothBrush · 04/10/2017 13:24

He's got close to Donald Trump before too at a Scottish golf course. Did a documentary for C4 about how he did it. (Also got himself onto the X-Factor by making up a character with the best sob story / minority group which the producers bought hook, line and sinker).

He'll end up getting shot one day if he carries on and isn't careful.

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BigChocFrenzy · 04/10/2017 13:25

Unbelievable.
If the Tories can't even properly organise the conference speech by their own PM ... ...

This was reportedly the P45, btw:

Westminstenders: Beano or Bust
RedToothBrush · 04/10/2017 13:29

BBC Parliament is currently repeating Phillip Hammond's speech from Monday. Someone has a real sense of humour....

Hammond said the following:

And Venezuela, a country rich beyond imagination in natural resources but where the economic policies of Hugo Chavez, publicly supported by Jeremy Corbyn, have so tragically impoverished the country that it can longer feed its people and inflation is over 1,000% and growth this year will fall for the fourth year in a row.

But still Corbyn won’t say a word against it.

“Oh, Jeremy Corbyn!” – Lost your voice now have you?

^This is my 34th consecutive Conservative Party Conference. And every year, it’s been preceded by a Labour Party Conference.
I’ve watched them all. And, I can tell you, there have been some shockers.^

Some of you are probably connoisseurs. You’ve probably got your own particular favourites (I think mine is probably Kinnock falling into the sea, not so much waving as drowning!) But last week, we saw Labour, in the raw – exposed for what it has sadly become.

A party taken hostage by a clique of hard-left extremist infiltrators people who despise our values and talk down our country.

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BigChocFrenzy · 04/10/2017 13:31

I wonder if Tory papers will make that into Churchillian oratory and reference Dunkirk, Trafalgar etc

or crucify her and call for Boris.

The Tory party are ruthless at disposing of a leader who has become a liability,
so the 1922 committee may already be receiving the 48 letters from MPs that the rules require to trigger a leadership contest

Or she may shortly announce retirement for helth reasons

RedToothBrush · 04/10/2017 13:32

Christopher Hope @christopherhope
BREAKING Michael Gove, the Environment secretary, tells me: "I witnessed a great speech from a Prime Minister at top of her game."

Proof she's fucked.

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Cailleach1 · 04/10/2017 13:34

Oh Lord, when she says the lines below (the bit in bold where she is taking Nelson's P45) she say "a run on the ground" as she lays the P45 on the ground where I think she meant to say a run on the POUND.

'while our opponents flirt with a foreign policy of neutrality and prepare for a run on the GROUND

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-speech-live-updates-brexit-eu-boris-johnson-conservative-party-conference-prime-minister-a7981931.html

woman11017 · 04/10/2017 13:35

And the big announcement?

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Cailleach1 · 04/10/2017 13:39

Nelson arrested. All he did was hand her a bit of paper. Which she took from him.

RedToothBrush · 04/10/2017 13:40

Catalans for Yes‏*@CatalansForYes*

BREAKING: Catalan parliament will declare independence on Monday.

I fear civil war is on the cards...

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LurkingHusband · 04/10/2017 13:51

Nelson arrested. All he did was hand her a bit of paper. Which she took from him.

Common assault ?

woman11017 · 04/10/2017 14:06

I fear civil war is on the cards...
Cheered on by Assange, Galloway, Mason and the usual suspects.
This is a potentially contagious coup, when brexit has clearly failed.

EU peace nicks need to get there negotiating hats on now.

Cailleach1 · 04/10/2017 14:16

Maybe it is for pretending to be someone else. Or having a few inconvenient words with the cabinet who were sitting at the front.

Wonder who was doing the security? Group 4.

lalalonglegs · 04/10/2017 14:20

Apparently it was a breach of the peace Confused.

LurkingHusband · 04/10/2017 14:22

Apparently it was a breach of the peace

In a private room ?????

Cailleach1 · 04/10/2017 14:33

A party taken hostage by a clique of hard right extremist infiltrators people who despise our values and talk down our country.

Yep. Right back at ya.

I presume the Venzuela bit can be replaced by quite a few countries for the Tories.

HashiAsLarry · 04/10/2017 14:35

fallen letters tweet

Can't upload the pic, but someone has done something clever and a little mischievous with the fallen letters.

LurkingHusband · 04/10/2017 14:40

Wonder who was doing the security? Group 4

Or Serco. Or Capita.

Badders08 · 04/10/2017 14:43

Ds1 is going to LOVE that speech :)

artisancraftbeer · 04/10/2017 14:47

www.lawgazette.co.uk/analysis/comment-and-opinion/tories-should-be-the-natural-party-of-justice/5062958.article?utm_source=dispatch&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=%20GAZ141016

I almost feel sorry for the woman (but don't because it is pretty much entirely self-inflicted..._)

Article above from that hot-bed of socialism - the Law Society about how the tories should be, but are no longer, the natural party of justice.

LewisThere · 04/10/2017 14:51

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/david-davis-urged-keep-border-controls-calais-brexit-prevent-illegal-immigrants-entering-britain/04/10/

DD urged to keep the border in Calais.
Well is that not mainly France decision in this case??
I'm sure I've heard grumbles there about sending the border back to the Uk during the summer....

CardinalSin · 04/10/2017 14:59

I seem to recall mentioning that the border would be moved back to Dover in the event of a Brexit vote before the referendum.

I think I was told I was being silly and that it was Project Fear...

LurkingHusband · 04/10/2017 15:08

Well is that not mainly France decision in this case??

A chance for the UK to learn exactly what sovereignty the EU has and has not got .....

Cailleach1 · 04/10/2017 15:09

I read an newspaper article a year or two ago. The then Minister Emmanuel Macron was playing to the french audience and talking about moving the border from Calais, back to the UK.

LurkingHusband · 04/10/2017 15:11

I read an newspaper article a year or two ago. The then Minister Emmanuel Macron was playing to the french audience and talking about moving the border from Calais, back to the UK.

(petulant sulk)

But how come France gets to do what they like, and the UK can't ?

Cailleach1 · 04/10/2017 15:18

The UK can certainly do a lot more than is let on. You don't think so and have to blame others because the UK's gov't and most newspapers are lying to you. Better say that is just in my opinion.
it is really not just my opinion.

Anyway, the UK gov't can give the requisite notice to withdraw from the Le Touquet Agreement as well as France. See, you can take back control of your own border and move it to your own country.