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Westminstenders: Beano or Bust

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RedToothBrush · 29/09/2017 21:33

The last week has seemingly been eventful but not in the way that's on the surface.

It's what's going on behind the scenes and the little comments in less high profile speeches that's more telling.

On the one hand the Norths think the May speech is a laying down "an offer" that the EU can not accept, in order to set up a no deal situation.

On the other hand Telegraph Journalist Peter Foster thinks there things going on in Brussels with the EU set to compromise in someway and help May present a deal acceptable to the British. You have to wonder whether the "presentational" stuff is about a deal to essentially be in the EU but not in the EU. A Brexit Existing in A Name Only. Beano.

It's difficult to tell, and it will come down to brinkmanship over timing. For both a deal and for the Repel Bill as the two sides in parliament try to push things to their limit for their own ends.

In this vacuum of uncertainty CBI and their "arch enemies" the TUC have put out a joint statement saying no deal is nuts and will screw every one and the way EU cits have been treated has been dreadful.

As it stands it does look like May is serious about a deal and Davis is also acting in this way. Johnson and Hannan have launched their Institute for Free Trade (at the foreign office breaking ministerial code, but hell there's no consequences these days anyway cos May dare not let Johnson off the Brexit hook) in retaliation to try and retell the Brexit story as always being about free trade rather than racist. Unfortunately leavers seem to have bust that by admitting they are considerably more racist than Remainers by their own admission.

Then there's Trump and Bombardier. Just as Brexiteers are pushing for this closer relationship with the US in trade, despite May personally lobbying Trump he fucks her over slapping 220% tariff on Bombardier and putting the future of 4000 jobs at risk. This was inevitable as Trump fucks everyone for his own gain. The US won't ride to the aid of the British capitalists. They'll just eat them alive.

This week sees an important vote by the European Parliament on Brexit red lines. One of the votes states that the UK has to either stay in the customs union and internal market or NI has to have a special arrangement and stay in the customs union and the internal market in order to protect the EUs border integrity. Neither is compatible with what the Cons and the DUP have said they want.

It's also the Tory Party conference.May's big speech, in which she must throw red meat to the swivel eyed loons on right, is on Weds. There are of course, no debates at ConParty because, well, they can't behave like good little children without supervision. Instead the conference is to, erm... yeah we'll find out next week.

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RedToothBrush · 02/10/2017 22:17

www.thesun.co.uk/news/4598179/david-davis-plans-to-quit-and-pass-brexit-on-to-boris-johnson/amp/
David Davis sparks Cabinet turmoil over his plans to quit and pass Brexit responsibilities on to Boris Johnson once UK leaves the EU
The Brexit Secretary has shared his intention to quit office and retire in 17 months time once the deal to leave the European Union will be complete, rather than seeing the phase through

The Sun understands Mr Davis believes his entire Department for Exiting the EU would become defunct as soon as he has negotiated a settlement with Brussels in 2019.

More here than meets the eye if ask me.

Why would the department cease to exist in 2019? I'm not convinced it's purpose would be a) complete b) not be needed for implementing

Is this to do with May abolishing it because it was a stupid decision to create the department in the first place and this is face saving?

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RedToothBrush · 02/10/2017 22:20

Also, that is a departure from wanting to be PM which he did just a few weeks ago.

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RedToothBrush · 02/10/2017 22:24

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/02/david-davis-plans-retire-brexit-secretary-uk-leaves-eu-2019/amp/
David Davis 'plans to retire' as Brexit secretary when the UK leaves the EU in 2019

Torygraph running the story on front page too. Something is seriously brewing. Are MPs about to line up behind Boris and annoint him leader without a contest?

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SwedishEdith · 02/10/2017 22:26

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/02/david-davis-plans-retire-brexit-secretary-uk-leaves-eu-2019/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Telegraph link to DD's scarpering from the Brexit mess.

lonelyplanetmum · 02/10/2017 22:28

This is just a diversion into pigs' ears. I don't know why this was the news item of the day that caught my attention,but it did.

I'll admit it- I've had trouble getting behind this Exit thing. It's just that I don't believe in unicorns.I was worried that whilst we are good at cake and jam Victoria sponge exports may not be enough to make up for the loss of free access to the second biggest market in the world.

But then the esteemed environment secretary ( as mentioned up thread) kindly tried to make me feel better. He tried to allay my fears.At last, a concrete benefit to enable me to get behind the exit and understand the benefits.A better market for Unpierced pigs ears.Yay.
The right honourable member said that Britain hasn’t been “as successful as we might have been at selling pigs’ ears to China because EU rules dictate that pigs, like all livestock, must have ear tags”.
Except I'm the Google Queen so I checked his claim out. According to the business companion a pig must have either:
• an ear tag,
... or
• a tattoo applied either by tattoo forceps on an ear or by a slap marker on each shoulder

So is Mr.Gove telling porkies, could we in fact, already have sold unpierced pigs ears by adopting the shoulder tattoo method?

This seems to come from the Pigs (Records, Identification and Movement) Order 2011 which may be influenced by EU law but seems to be domestic legislation to me.

Clutching. at . straws.

SwedishEdith · 02/10/2017 22:29

"The Brexit secretary told friends that Michel Barnier, the EU's chief negotiator, "needs this to work more than I do" because he plans to step aside in June 2019 whereas Mr Barnier will still be in post."

Why would Barnier care which Brexit monkey he was talking to? Maybe DD thinks Barnier will be negotiating with Starmer?

lonelyplanetmum · 02/10/2017 22:30

Sorry to cross post before seeing the DD/BJ news - that's much more important!

lonelyplanetmum · 02/10/2017 22:40

Oh and in case Mr Gove reads this I found some EU legislation on animal identification. It is brief but says ear tags, or tattoos.

Peregrina · 02/10/2017 22:43

This seems to come from the Pigs (Records, Identification and Movement) Order 2011 which may be influenced by EU law but seems to be domestic legislation to me.

This is so, so typical. So much of supposed EU legislation isn't, but the hard right have become so adept at lying about the EU that people believe it. If we do leave, who will they be able to lie about next time, to keep us plebs in our place?

Right, now off to see the news about BJ/DD.

RedToothBrush · 02/10/2017 22:45

Mike Smithson @ MikeSmithsonPB
Times reporting that HomeSec ARudd has hired LCrosby in move that's being seen as part of possible leadership bid

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RedToothBrush · 02/10/2017 22:50

George Eaton @ GeorgeEaton
Rees-Mogg: "We want to see the government being a bit more Boris Johnson throughout ... rather than accepting narrative of the Remoaners."

Moggy backing Bojo?

Sounds suspiciously like May's speech on weds might be a forced resignation at this rate.

European Parliament vote tomorrow.

Ironically it is starting to feel like May is the only chance of a deal and not a cliff edge Brexit.

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RedToothBrush · 02/10/2017 22:52

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/02/back-theresa-may-or-risk-labour-government-hunt-warns-johnson
Back Theresa May or risk Labour government, Hunt warns Johnson
In veiled warning to Boris Johnson, health secretary says Jeremy Corbyn could stop Brexit, while seeking to reassure EU workers that the NHS needs them

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Cailleach1 · 02/10/2017 23:01

lonely: So is Mr.Gove telling porkies
Very good.

Here is another of his accusations no backup, and I wouldn't be the first person who thinks Mr. Gove is mendacious or as dishonest as they come, but that is just my personal opinion Basically, everything is the fault of the EU.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-michael-gove-green-uk-eu-exit-wildlife-decline-blame-a7979181.html

So then, he mentions how things are done differently in Denmark. Which is in the EU. So maybe he is talking about UK problems which he is pretending is the fault of the EU.

"Meanwhile, only 57 per cent of plastic bottles sold in the UK in 2016 were collected for recycling – much lower than 90 per cent in Denmark, which has a deposit return scheme."

RedToothBrush · 02/10/2017 23:05

I know Boris has his speech tomorrow too, but it does feel like the dam is about to burst.

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Peregrina · 02/10/2017 23:12

So then, he mentions how things are done differently in Denmark.

I think we established in previous posts that his sense of geography is not the best. So he probably thinks that Denmark is somewhere outside the EU.

Peregrina · 02/10/2017 23:16

Do you think May will survive the week?
I could still see BoJo not becoming PM - the front runner doesn't usually get it.

lonelyplanetmum · 02/10/2017 23:28

Thanks for that link Cailleach in it Gove claims the Conservatives are Britain’s most ambitious green party.Ha ha ha. Unnecessarily insulting to Caroline Lucas and Jonathan Bartley really.

Well putting Gove in charge of anything, education or the environment or unpierced pigs' ears is incomprehensible. At least his leadership ambitions died a death.

Peregrina · 02/10/2017 23:38

At least his leadership ambitions died a death.
Don't speak to soon - if they stab May in the back, he might have another go!

prettybird · 02/10/2017 23:43

Aren't the Conservatives the political version of the Walking Dead? Wink

So the fact that Gove's ambitions died a death after Brexit and stabbing BoJo in the back means Not. A. Jot. Grin (Or rather, SadHmm)

Zombies live to fight again.

BigChocFrenzy · 02/10/2017 23:49

(paywall) Tory conference: European parliament threatens veto over Johnson’s red lines

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/european-parliament-threatens-veto-over-johnson-s-red-lines-q038km3hr

Boris Johnson’s new negotiating red lines for Brexit will make it impossible for Britain to secure a transition deal with the EU, MEPs are to warn.
.....
The European parliament will tell Theresa May tomorrow that it will veto any deal unless Britain continues to accept European Court of Justice (ECJ) rulings during any implementation period
.....
A number of senior Tories believe that Mr Johnson is deliberately attempting to set Mrs May up to fail by making demands that Brussels will never agree to.

Mrs May’s deputy, Damian Green, said that while Mr Johnson “likes giving interviews” they did not constitute government policy.

“On Brexit, the government’s policy was agreed by the whole cabinet and was shown in the Florence speech which the prime minister made a couple of weeks ago and that’s our policy, and that’s what remains our policy,”

“We know that Boris likes giving interviews and writing articles, Grin but the government’s policy is absolutely clear, it’s what was in the Florence speech.”

Senior figures in the EU’s negotiating team led by Michel Barnier are more relaxed about some of Mr Johnson’s demands.
< fortunately, so far they seem a very calm, organised bunch >

BigChocFrenzy · 03/10/2017 00:26

(paywall) Ruth awakening for dozy delegates

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/ruth-awakening-for-dozy-delegates-z5hl5qh8l

In bars and restaurants around Manchester, many a delegate and MP raised a glass last night and drank a toast to the Queen Over the Border.

Ruth Davidson, the young pretender, had given them a speech full of passion, wit and purpose that few will match.

She insists her only aim is to be first minister of Scotland.
She would rather be Theresa May’s champion than her rival.

Yet with one brief speech Ms Davidson jump-started a conference that had been flatlining on the first day.

No wonder they dream in Westminster of Bonnie Princess Ruthie riding to the rescue.

After Ms Davidson’s speech there was a buzz around the hall.
....
Ms Davidson bounded on, full of energy like a Bash Street Kid, and changed the tone.
“It’s great to be here in Manchester,” she said. “
Or as I call it, the Southern Powerhouse.”
They sat up at that

Then a good joke about the party winning just one MP in the 2015 election.
“We were still outgunned by those sodding pandas,” she said,
in reference to the pair of Chinese bears in Edinburgh Zoo.

Not many MPs risk a “sodding” in public.
They fear upsetting the older members. Pass the smelling salts Mildred, the colonel’s come over all queer.
But it shows Ms Davidson’s down-to-earth, no-nonsense appeal.
...
then we got a section that was less fun but more important as she explained what the Tories are for
.....
It sounded awfully like a manifesto for a leadership bid.
But for now Ms Davidson remains the Queen Over the Border, the leader many want but cannot have.

< If the tory party is out of power and decimated after Brexit,
Ruth may be pushed to go for a safe seat in parliament, so that they can have their Bonnie Princess as leader of a rescue mission
If they haven't gone off her by then
and if the Ultras don't savage her to save their hard right dream >

mathanxiety · 03/10/2017 05:03

Reposting from upthread -
Jessica Eglot @ JessicaEglot
Rees-Mogg says the Uk should admire the 3m EU citizens who came to UK. "brave to leave your home, unable to speak the language..."
Suspect many EU citizens would take issue with the idea that they came to UK on a wing and a prayer, unable to speak English

JRM thinks EU migrants are riff raff the 'wretched refuse of your teeming shore". He has apparently not noticed medical professionals, IT, engineers of different disciplines, other tech, academics, etc.

woman11017 · 03/10/2017 06:29

In a bid to come over at the "iron lady" of conference, it appears that Mrs May could be going much further than the Mail story indicates. She may be looking to make the payment of EU contributions during her two-year so-called "implementation period" conditional on the conclusion of a trade deal. This impossible demand – on top of a refusal to look at other liabilities – would effectively torpedo any chance of reaching a Phase One agreement

Should this be the May strategy to pull the conference behind her, then we are almost certainly looking at a "no deal" Brexit. Such an ultimatum might enable the Prime Minister to strengthen her grip on office, albeit temporarily, but it would be at the cost of jeopardising the entire Brexit process

With that, there will be some merit in the "remainers" float touring Manchester during the conference (pictured). Brexit will have become a monstrosity, set to destroy our economy and our global political standing. The only up-side is that it will almost certainly take the Conservative Party with it. and even that will be poor compensation for what we might be about to endure

www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86624

'Laughing boy' Richard North^

On the bright side, it looks like the EU and demographic realities are taking the tories down.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/02/campaign-conservative-democracy-grassroots-group-launches-mock-election-party-chair

Mogg has full and frank exchange with a human.^

woman11017 · 03/10/2017 07:02

The government has denied that Monarch Airlines customers should have been warned of the carrier’s financial troubles in the runup to its collapse, as an operation began to repatriate 110,000 passengers.

Asked whether travellers should have been notified about over the problems – flights were still on sale at the weekend – a Department for Transport spokesperson said: “This was a decision made by the company and it is the job of directors and their advisers to decide when a business is no longer a going concern … It is the not the role of government to decide on the viability of a business

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/oct/02/monarch-airlines-collapse-department-for-transport-passengers-staff

Hmm

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200634

HashiAsLarry · 03/10/2017 07:22

Tm on bbc breakfast right now. She hasn't answered a fricking question. Just waffle remotely near the topic. rage averted by dd insisting tm is the mayor again because of her necklace