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Westminstenders: Beano or Bust

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RedToothBrush · 29/09/2017 21:33

The last week has seemingly been eventful but not in the way that's on the surface.

It's what's going on behind the scenes and the little comments in less high profile speeches that's more telling.

On the one hand the Norths think the May speech is a laying down "an offer" that the EU can not accept, in order to set up a no deal situation.

On the other hand Telegraph Journalist Peter Foster thinks there things going on in Brussels with the EU set to compromise in someway and help May present a deal acceptable to the British. You have to wonder whether the "presentational" stuff is about a deal to essentially be in the EU but not in the EU. A Brexit Existing in A Name Only. Beano.

It's difficult to tell, and it will come down to brinkmanship over timing. For both a deal and for the Repel Bill as the two sides in parliament try to push things to their limit for their own ends.

In this vacuum of uncertainty CBI and their "arch enemies" the TUC have put out a joint statement saying no deal is nuts and will screw every one and the way EU cits have been treated has been dreadful.

As it stands it does look like May is serious about a deal and Davis is also acting in this way. Johnson and Hannan have launched their Institute for Free Trade (at the foreign office breaking ministerial code, but hell there's no consequences these days anyway cos May dare not let Johnson off the Brexit hook) in retaliation to try and retell the Brexit story as always being about free trade rather than racist. Unfortunately leavers seem to have bust that by admitting they are considerably more racist than Remainers by their own admission.

Then there's Trump and Bombardier. Just as Brexiteers are pushing for this closer relationship with the US in trade, despite May personally lobbying Trump he fucks her over slapping 220% tariff on Bombardier and putting the future of 4000 jobs at risk. This was inevitable as Trump fucks everyone for his own gain. The US won't ride to the aid of the British capitalists. They'll just eat them alive.

This week sees an important vote by the European Parliament on Brexit red lines. One of the votes states that the UK has to either stay in the customs union and internal market or NI has to have a special arrangement and stay in the customs union and the internal market in order to protect the EUs border integrity. Neither is compatible with what the Cons and the DUP have said they want.

It's also the Tory Party conference.May's big speech, in which she must throw red meat to the swivel eyed loons on right, is on Weds. There are of course, no debates at ConParty because, well, they can't behave like good little children without supervision. Instead the conference is to, erm... yeah we'll find out next week.

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Badders08 · 03/10/2017 07:28

Those pics of the empty seats at conference are hilarious....Rudd vying for leadership? May can't last the week...surely?

woman11017 · 03/10/2017 07:29

dd insisting tm is the mayor again because of her necklace Grin

lonelyplanetmum · 03/10/2017 07:42

Hashi's DD has had a good idea. How about a job swap for Treeza and Saddiq. A little unconstitutional maybe, but these days pretty much anything goes.

HashiAsLarry · 03/10/2017 07:50

I now have visions of sadiq trying to capture tm by dangling the mayoral necklace (proper term escapes me) like you would if trying to entice a cat. I think someone out somethign in my coffee today Grin

Badders08 · 03/10/2017 07:55

Chain of office 😀

Badders08 · 03/10/2017 07:56

^ I monotonous that due to an episode of detectorists when the mayor losses his whilst out dogging 😁

Badders08 · 03/10/2017 07:56

only know that

lonelyplanetmum · 03/10/2017 08:01

My last word in flippant mode is still on the Gove front.

I think we have established that Gove misrepresented or misunderstood the animal identification rules.It is massively disappointing that a cabinet minister in charge of agriculture can't get a fairly easy level of detail right.

But why the focus on pigs...what is it with Tory men and pigs? Do female party members have the same issue.

IrenetheQuaint · 03/10/2017 08:11

Just catching up with this thread, and wanted to give a round of applause to lonelyplanetmum for her fantastic porcine investigatory work.

According to the grapevine the EU negotiators reckon there is a 50%+ chance of the UK crashing out without a deal. As we are just so shit.

lonelyplanetmum · 03/10/2017 08:24

Actually I thought of a flippant P.S.

Perhaps the chain thing is intended as a subliminal message about our (non existent) shackling to Brussels. If the exit happens then TM can symbolically cast the chain aside and skip off to a wheat field.

RandomlyGenerated · 03/10/2017 08:26

Apologies for being late on this - re the Tate and Lyle Sugars sponsorship:

Tate and Lyle Sugars are the sugar cane refining business sold off to a US company in 2010. Big Brexit supporter as it imports and refines cane sugars which are subject to high EU import tariffs in support of home grown sugar beet.

The Tate and Lyle (Europe) subsidies for refining ended in 2009 (previously linked to).

At least some people are protesting in support of British Sugar:

www.fwi.co.uk/news/tories-conference-in-foreign-sugar-gaffe.htm

RedToothBrush · 03/10/2017 08:48

I'm seeing on Twitter that is being suggested that Monarch could have carried on trading if in Germany or France if registered there but due to the law being different in the UK it could not.

This is quite separate to the issues with the pound.

It has also been compounded by investors being unwilling to support Monarch because of the UKs uncertainty with Open Skies.

I'm trying to find sources for this but it seems right in its logic.

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PattyPenguin · 03/10/2017 08:55

Gove seems to have stumbled upon the ultimate metaphor for Brexit.

It is indeed A Pig's Ear.

greentiger · 03/10/2017 08:57

Just to add to lonelyplanetmum's pig exploration, the relevant pig Order is made under 'our' Animal Health Act, and implements an EU Directive 2008/71/EC on the identification and registration of pigs, which only requires that 'Animals must be marked as soon as possible, and in any case before they leave the holding, with an eartag or tattoo making it possible to determine the holding from which they came'. So as lonelyplanetmum said, the EU is not making us eartag pigs, it is yet another lie about the EU holding us back from allowing us to do what we want...

RedToothBrush · 03/10/2017 09:04

Here we go:

"The UK insolvency framework doesn't allow airlines to continue flying unlike in Germany and Italy, where we see that Air Berlin and Alitalia continued when they were in administration."

Monarch CEO on BBC's Today programme

www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-41481661

British Law.

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HashiAsLarry · 03/10/2017 09:05

Something TM said earlier regarding the general election was that she set out her vision for the UK when she first became pm and that message hadn't come across through the campaigning.

Not that the electorate largely rejected it of course, more they're too stupid to understand what she meant and local campaigners didn't explain it well enough. Obviously it was a delivery issue because no one in their right mind would reject her vision Hmm

RedToothBrush · 03/10/2017 09:06

Jim Pickard @ pickardJE
Amber Rudd on Boris in her Mail interview: "Every time he stops making interventions we all breathe a sigh of relief.”

Why is this man running the country?

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Peregrina · 03/10/2017 09:12

Something TM said earlier regarding the general election was that she set out her vision for the UK when she first became pm and that message hadn't come across through the campaigning.

Umm, who should have been in charge of the campaign? Shouldn't it have been the PM? What vision did she have? Some guff about the Just About Managings is all I remember. I don't remember any policy. I do remember the election literature which was all about her - which I sent back (unstamped) saying that I didn't know she was standing in my constituency.

lonelyplanetmum · 03/10/2017 09:13

And pigs ears do not lead to a silk purses, Patty.

lonelyplanetmum · 03/10/2017 09:13
  • a silk purse ( singular).
RandomlyGenerated · 03/10/2017 09:19

You would have thought that Gove would at least have checked his own departments website before spouting such twattery:

www.gov.uk/guidance/pig-keepers-identify-animals-before-moving-them

RhuBarbarella · 03/10/2017 09:27

Liz Truss has been forgotten? She had a hilarious speech on pork and China, I can't link, but it's on YouTube. She matched Gove in the dimness factor, at least.

RedToothBrush · 03/10/2017 09:34

Liz Truss got demoted for being shit. Gove got promoted for being shit but gobby.

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RedToothBrush · 03/10/2017 09:36

TSE‏*@TSEofPB*
If I were Team Boris & Mrs May gives a poor speech, I’d make sure Graham Brady receives enough letters by Friday for a vote of confidence

This is what this entire week is about. May can not give a good speech to the Tories without undermining her 23rd Sept speech to the EU.

May is cornered. Hard to see what moves she has left.

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RedToothBrush · 03/10/2017 09:42

Catherine Bearder‏*@catherinemep* (Lib Dems)
Not a single Tory MEP spoke in the #Brexit debate today. Happy for UKIP and the Marine Le Pen group to speak on behalf of the UK.

In reference to the European Parliament Debate

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