Westministers: May Shares the Cake

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May's Speech Abbreviated:

We still have nfi how we are going to do this. EU this is your fault. You sort it out. We are too lazy, workshy and fighting like high school children to work it out ourselves. Be our whipping boy.

I support democracy as long as I get to do whatever I like
I support human rights as long as I can ignore them when I like.
I support the rule of law except when it doesn't suit my agenda.

Waffle waffle.

"Creative", "Dynamic" PR for my Premiership.

Waffle waffle

We really need policing cooperation, PLEASE keep it with us. I know I threatened to withdraw this, but I'm sorry, I was wrong and a bit of a dick about this.

Gets to the point FINALLY.

"2 year transition period"

(With another time bomb lock which is still too short for IT departments. Nothing to do with the next general election, honest).

RULE BRITANNIA!

Polite Applause.

Good news

Old fashioned lobbying, phoning, protesting and campaigning have been a success in the US. Brilliant work from all those who achieved this, using the peaceful democratic means available:

Graham-Cassidy: Senate will not vote on Obamacare repeal bill in latest humiliation for Republicans

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/graham-cassidy-bill-no-vote-healthcare-republican-obamacare-repeal-dead-a7968796.html

Just musing, but if we walk away tomorrow, presumably the pound will go down, businesses will start announcing plans to leave and panic buying of food and fuel.

If it ends up with martial law being declared for example, what impact might that have on the Conservative party conference?

European Council president Donald Tusk has said not enough progress has been made to move to the next phase of Brexit talks in Brussels.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-41389498

f it ends up with martial law being declared for example, what impact might that have on the Conservative party conference?

Probably the take over of the party by the likes of Redwood, IDS, Rees-Mogg

If it ends up with martial law being declared for example

You have read some of the other Brexit threads, haven't you?

I would imagine that the people supporting this course of stupidity (storming out shouting "Don't You Know Who We Are?") simply cannot fathom that there could be any bad effects of doing so.

And if there did happen to be some bad stuff happening (purely as a chronological coincidence, you understand) it would be what they had intended in the first place, or exaggerated, or would have happened anyway, etc etc.

I think there would be incredibly heavy security. It'll be tight anyway but food shortages becoming a reality? Even the right wing press are going to have trouble maintaining the delusion when faced with that.

Falklands war worked for thatch, is presumably one model for re election, if there ever is one.

Gove is very quiet.

you're right, woman . Gove is very quiet. And that, surely, is never good.

have trouble maintaining the delusion when faced with that.

I've long held the belief (after months of observations of these threads, and media and politicians, and RL interactions) that the delusion will be maintained at all costs.

Sorry.

Delusional Express

"'Running scared'! Brussels terrified UK will storm out of Brexit talks over EU’s demands"

Claiming the EU is terrified

• no, the EU are probably more concerned what will happen to the UK, since our own govt seems completely unaware of the approaching disaster

The Ultras are clearly beating the drum for burning the boats and leaving the EU now.
They want an unstoppable tide of feeling for this at the Tory party conference, so they can bounce May into announcing this in her main conference speech

This is mostly about Tory MEP David Campbell Bannerman
"He pointed to a report by the thinktank Civitas which showed that EU exporters would pay £13 billion in tariffs to the UK"

Idiot
Exporters do NOT pay tariffs - their customers do.
So it will be UK consumers paying £13 billion to the Treasury

I wonder, Element . The thing is, rationing in peace time is a big step. Only just half the vote went for Leave, anyway. The Remain vote is big in the big cities, and strong amongst those who actually get involved in political action, I suspect.

I think people could get very angry indeed (hence the hints that plans for martial law have been drawn up).

That is a major, major step away from what people are used to.

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/825697/Brexit-Brussels-terrified-UK-storm-out-talks-EU-demands

I know that silly Farage threatened riots (which was, I still think, a lot of hot air) but food shortages are something else.

As I posted before, people accepted the 3-day week in the early 1970s, because

• the depression and WW2 were sufficiently recent that many people alive then had come through those experiences. Most families had experienced hardship in at least one living generation.
• the consumerist society had,barely started]
• most important of all, thee were power cuts, but NO shortages of food or other essential supplies Hence no panic, just great inconvenience for businesses and citizens

Brexit looks like being far more severe than the 3-day week
and for a public which is completely unused to rationing, let alone to empty shelves in the supermarkets

@SamCoatesTimes
Times / YouGov poll
Which would make the best PM
Theresa May 37%
Jeremy Corbyn 29%
Not sure 33%

@britainelects
LAB: 43% (+1)
CON: 39% (-2)
LDEM: 7% (-)

Any hint of loss of the NHS coupled with rationing could lead to riots which make the poll tax riots look like picnics. Also TM has pissed off the police so they might be slightly less likely to rush in to do her dirty work than they were for Thatch.

If the clock is still ticking on article 50 but a lot of the initial disasters are already felt it might focus the mind on the choices available. If the outcome is rationing and martial law, it doesn't matter who says to stop talking the country down, or we always said it would take a while...

Yes, BigChoc . And I'd add that the government already doesn't have the goodwill of about half the electorate in imposing measures to counteract Brexit-related food shortages. And the half it doesn't have are in big cities, such as London, Manchester and Liverpool.

And you're absolutely right about people no longer having the skills - or habits - to cope with rationing/food shortages. For a start, most women work long hours, with long commutes these days. Imagine factoring in queueing and pickling into that? I know people had to do it in, say, Stalingrad but ... this is a first world country, at peace.

woman That is depressing. Surely Corbyn should be out-polling May by this point? It suggests to me a great deal of disaffection with the Conservatives but a deep-rooted mistrust of Corbyn. I wonder how that will play out in a GE?

Brexit looks like being far more severe than the 3-day week

I have wondered about some recent (and not-so-recent) PP I've seen on the Brexit threads and to a certain extent during the GE campaign too; they could be real people but the sentiments expressed are very interesting from a social control POV.

A lot of emphasis on acceptance and passivity (It's Over, Get Over It), demonisation and attempted silencing (Talking Britain Down) of any form of outspokenness (this being a largely female platform, they try to characterise outspokenness as rude, angry or hysterical knowing that women are heavily conditioned to not be those things), highly emotional exhortations to purely faith- and emotion-based inactions such as Just Believe, Get Behind the Country, Be Patriotic...

Sowing the seeds, on already fertile ground, for population compliance with upcoming unrest and martial law.

Yes, Element. Mind you, I do think a lot of those are used to a different type of relationship between people and government.

I'm not sure that will connect with people, though. Not enough of them, anyway.

I, too, think it will make the resistance to the Poll Tax look like a picnic.

Lurker and frequent name changer here.

I am a Remainer and worried about reading all these posts about food shortages, no deal, looting, martial law etc.

Do you really believe this will happen? And when? whats the timeframe in your views? Are you taking precautions to protect yourselves, stocking up on essentials (what kind of essentials?).

Is travel in and out of the UK going to be affected if such a shit storm should happen?

I understand what the dangers are in theory but isn't this a little bit scare mongering? No offence, just reflecting on the fact that I feel anxious whenever I catch up with this thread. In rl nobody talks about Brexit. People are busy updating their nice autumn wardrobe, new trees for the garden, looking a kitchen redesigns. Do we really all have our heads in the sand?

Are people going to try and flee the country? Will they be allowed?

Sowing the seeds

Look how much money was put into the 'nudge' unit.

The CO has [pdf, p99] £210.6m worth of agreements with private contractors to pay out over the course of their durations. It also holds [pdf, p101] £64m of investments in six private companies that operate within the public sector/government. One of these is Behavioural Insights Ltd, also known as the controversial ‘Nudge Unit’. As writer Sue Jones noted in 2015, the Nudge Unit is:

aimed at ‘changing the behaviours’ of citizens perceived to ‘make the wrong choices’ – ultimately the presented political aim is to mend Britain’s supposedly ‘broken society’ and to restore a country that ‘lives within its means’, according to a narrow, elitist view, bringing about a neoliberal utopia built on ‘economic competitiveness’ in a ‘global race

www.thecanary.co/uk/2017/09/26/distracted-labours-conference-theresa-mays-office-quietly-reveals-spent-43m-just-agency-staff/

"A lot of emphasis on acceptance and passivity (It's Over, Get Over It), demonisation and attempted silencing (Talking Britain Down) of any form of outspokenness"

Elements this was one of the key findings from the post-Brexit wave of the British Election Study. Voting Leave is strongly associated with wanting a "firm hand" government, e.g. more law and order, stronger punishment for crimes, more discipline in schools etc.

LoveYABE Prices are already rising and every forecast expects them to rise more, and then more again when Brexit becomes a reality.

While I would never encourage anyone to become a profiteer or speculator, it makes sense to start thinking about which goods are a. household staples b. likely to rise in price and perhaps buy while the price is low.

I think pretty much all the supermarkets have started preparing the ground for price rises coming soon, they've told us that they are cutting into their profits to keep prices down. When will that stop? I don't know. I watched an interesting interview with someone from Aldi explaining that the threat from discounters such as Aldi was acting as a brake.

It's going to be interesting to see how long that can go on for.

Ah yes, I remember that study missmoon!

Mind you, for all my envisioning of The People roaring over food shortages ... the current "There are going to be fewer Jaffa Cakes in a pack" thread is a bit tragic.