Westministers: May Shares the Cake

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May's Speech Abbreviated:

We still have nfi how we are going to do this. EU this is your fault. You sort it out. We are too lazy, workshy and fighting like high school children to work it out ourselves. Be our whipping boy.

I support democracy as long as I get to do whatever I like
I support human rights as long as I can ignore them when I like.
I support the rule of law except when it doesn't suit my agenda.

Waffle waffle.

"Creative", "Dynamic" PR for my Premiership.

Waffle waffle

We really need policing cooperation, PLEASE keep it with us. I know I threatened to withdraw this, but I'm sorry, I was wrong and a bit of a dick about this.

Gets to the point FINALLY.

"2 year transition period"

(With another time bomb lock which is still too short for IT departments. Nothing to do with the next general election, honest).

RULE BRITANNIA!

Polite Applause.

Sorry about all the bold.Not sure what happened there,other than rushing out!

Cock up or otherwise?
Constitutional no man's land or it's not just NI who will be under direct rule now. Good thread:

@pauldalyesq
Has anyone given any thought to how a status quo transition could be legislated for by the UK? (thread

under direct rule now not by Westminster.

Tom Newton Dunn @ tnewtondunn
David Davis sticks one in the eye of both Boris and Hammond on who's driving Brexit - just him and PM? "My car has only got two seats" #Marr

the final length of it “should be determined simply by how long it will take to prepare and implement the new processes and new systems that will underpin that future partnership”.

About the only sensible thing May has said. So we would be looking at 7 -10 years.

Simon the Stylite @ SimeOnStylites

1. Summary of Marr i/view with with DD. As usual, see transcript when published.
2. In strict terms, DD says "no difference” betw Lanc Hse and Florence speeches.
3. (...but also more detail of trans period + EU citz treaty being written into UK law + payments)
4. DD doesn't disagree esp re costs of abt GBP20bn assuming 2 yrs but other obligs more “debatable.”
5. Doesn't know what Boris meant by “go whistle.” Broadly tejects idea Boris had big impact on the speech.
6. AM asks citz “exact same rights” q. (ht @jdportes ) DD rejects this. EU and Brit citz must be on lvl playing field. No ECJ in any circs
7. Re differences post Mar ‘19, DD focuses on registration for newly arriving EU citz. Agrees this is subject to negotiation.
8. Re ongoing convergence w/ EU regs vs complete “breakaway”, DD says he’s “bang in the middle” of the spectrum.
9. Focuses on post exit arbitration panel to manage divergence issues. Plenty of deals where you have frictionless trade [hmmm].

10. Q. What do you say to a keen Brexit voter? 11. A. A practical, upbeat, real Brexit is what you’re going to get. / ends

Two stumbling blocks: ECJ and NI that I can't see a resolution anywhere soon.

I thought Nick Clegg was excellent on Marr and he knows more about how the EU works than most do.

Farage. New Party.

Farage. New Party.

Remember what the SDP did to the Liberals ?

Ukip is dead. Long live ukip.

I caught a bit of Marr. Clegg seemed a bit frustrated, largely when Marr was handing out rhetoric. DD said something about the courts along the lines of 'we will allow them to interpret the law in certain ways'. That's not the actual quote btw, just along those lines. I found it a little chilling.

Puzzlement & Contradictions

When we have thread "visitors", they keep asking why we are still here
(well, some of us aren't)

From their fury at Colin Firth, Brexiters also think we should stay
and share the misery
< they presumably wouldn't mind if it were sharing that sunny Brexit prosperity they were claiming >

What exactly do they want Remainers to do ?
Fix the mess Brexiters created ?
because Brexiters don't have a clue how ?

Maybe that is the excuse already being rolled for Brexit crashing / being cancelled:
those nasty Remainers failed to find the Brexit cake-pooping unicorn ?

Farage's new party sounds like it may be the new party Arron Banks has been threatening to create the last year or so:
to replace the namby-pamby Tory by a proper tough free trade party that will no longer tolerate leftwing nonsense like workers rights, a welfare state, nhs ....

Fail poll puts Boris with a huge lead among voter over other replacements for May
< >
However, I suspect DD is positioning himself as the compromise candidate for Tory MPs
especially with his expertise in negotiations

So one PM promoted several levels above her competence to be replaced by another

If my livelihood were the arts, or connected disciplines, I would be trying very hard to ensure Brexit did not curtail my career.

With his newly minted EU citizenship, Mr Firth could have options not available to non-EU citizens. Like post-2019 Brits .

Bravo ! Colin.

Not feeling the love for Labour right now ... at least they've come clean - finally

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41376138

So, where do we go from here ?

Corbin can't see beyond his visceral hatred of the EU and his continuing belief that it is a capitalist conspiracy explains his half hearted campaigning for Remain

Can't he take off his blinkers and see that the very things he fears are more likely with a hard Brexit and that with a bit of imagination and more importantly political nous, he could do the things he claims he can't do he wants to do within the Single Market?

What position would you like Labour to take on Brexit?

Yup. Single Market would be a start. After all, even those in the official Leave campaign stated that we wouldn't be leaving the Single Market.

"Only a madman would actually leave the Market" (Owen Patterson, Tory MP)

"Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market"
(Daniel Hannan, Tory MEP)

"Wouldn’t it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland?
Really? They’re rich. They’re happy. They’re self-governing"
(Farage)

"Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK"
(Arron Banks)

(Farage, Hannan) Let's stay in the Single Market

https://mobile.twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/886199323863789570/video/1

Corbyn has a difficult balancing act between keeping the old Labour voters sweet but offering something to the younger ones. I think he ought to be braver though - e.g. I do wonder how much the older Labour voters would trade being out of the EU for no NHS. He needs to put a much clearer distance between Labour and the Tories.

The Labour leader said EU restrictions on state aid and pressure to privatise sectors like rail could cause problems.

I thought this odd - we have Dutch, German and French state companies running parts of our railways as it is, which came, as far as I am aware, from previous Tory Governments and wasn't a result of EU pressure.

Oh, I've just remembered - the world was supposed to have ended yesterday. Well, I for one am still here.

What position would you like Labour to take on Brexit?

A better way of putting it, would be that I'm not going to vote for a Labour party which is going to implement a Brexit I (and a certified 48% of the population) don't want.

And the danger Labour is facing, is that for some people (like myself) Brexit ranks above a Tory government as a disaster ... meaning the scare if "if you don't vote Labour you'll get a Tory government" isn't going to work.

Fuck it, it seems clear at my age that the next 20 -30 years are already in the crapper whoever I vote for.

Electoral nihilism - it could be a thing,