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Westminstenders: The beginning of the dictatorship and the end of Boris?

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2017 10:55

Brexit is being fought in the UK media and parliament on the premise that the EU is being difficult and obstructive.

The fallacy can not be understated.

What the UK fails to understand is the right of the EU to put their own interests before the UKs. It doesn't under that our demands cannot be met even if the EU wanted to for practical and legal reasons - not political ones because our understanding of the situation and law is so poor.

The net result is the slippage of the next phase of Brexit talks being pushed to Christmas by the EU due to lack of progress by the UK. Barnier is open to more regular and intense talks but this is bad news for the UK with the a50 clock ticking.

The main stumbling block is NI a with Barnier warning not to use the border as a way to test EU resolve. Brexit always about the NI border. The UK have never provided a solution to the EU that does not produce a hard border. The idea being pushed by the UK will create one despite claiming it won't. The reality is the only viable solutions are either staying in the single market and customs union or NI being granted special status and being different to the rest of the country. The former is opposed by the government, the later opposed by the DUP.

The DUP are getting a taste of their own medicine. They have been warned that Assembly Members might have pay frozen and if they don't reform Stormont they won't get their Billion Pound Booty. Plus Ian Paisley Jr just found a new scandal for the party.

May is trying to channel Venezuela by getting rid of democracy when it suits. The Great Repel Bill (aka as the Withdrawal Bill) faces it's challenge. The much feared Henry VIII in clause 9 are not only facing criticism from Remainers but also from the secretive crackpots of Tory Bastard Club (aka ERG). The TBC want hard cliff edge Brexit. May seems to support given her goodwill burning interference at the Home Office which seeks to discriminate against all foreigners and make them sign a register. The visa system and how it will attract much needed staff for the NHS makes the mind boggle.

The Repel Bill also could end the possibility of transition due to clause 6 which requires us to leave the ECJ. Given the May's ambition to make EU citizens display their stars in job applications this is totally unable to the EU. If it passes the chances of transition drop dramatically. Bye bye Smooth and Orderly.

Then there is the May-Bot paradox: the one were she gives a friendly speech to the EU and a nasty on to the Swivel Eyed Loon gathering. As if neither will be reported to the other audience.

On top of this May is attempting the Parliament Rigging Act as she has a 'majority Government'. Yep I know, this is the general election version of 'will of the people'. The Rigging Act seeks to stack parliamentary committees with Tory majorities so they can stop any bill they don't like getting anywhere need the main chamber this limiting the power of opposition to irrelevant. Sadly I think this one will get through due to maths of the HoC atm.

We shouldn't forget the role of the HoL though and the lack of a majority government (why do you think May is saying majority government? It's down to the Sewell convention and trying to make the case it applies when the argument is it doesn't for a minority government).

The other development is the rumours that Boris is for the boot. And Rees-Mogg might get a promotion.

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Peregrina · 15/09/2017 18:51

I think Ryanair even insists on passports within the UK - hence Fail stories of little grannies not being allowed on their flights to Edinburgh from London.

RedToothBrush · 15/09/2017 19:10

I think most people will only really take notice when they try to book their 2019 holidays ....

I am planning a big holiday in Dec 2018. There is Brexit logic to this.

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LurkingHusband · 15/09/2017 19:26

Here's what I picture ...

Westminstenders: The beginning of the dictatorship and the end of Boris?
Badders08 · 15/09/2017 19:33

A very kind mner has sent ds1 some poetry by miners children 😁
So ds and i have been listening to billy Bragg "power in the union" ✊

woman11017 · 15/09/2017 19:39

Another kind mums netter sent me some very delicious sample of Scotland's finest sweet.
Keep the faith Badders' DS. Smile

Badders08 · 15/09/2017 19:40

😁

RedToothBrush · 15/09/2017 20:12

There are some awesome Mnetters to restore your faith in humanity.

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woman11017 · 15/09/2017 20:29

@faisalislam
Average age of Conservative member is now 72, up six years on 2015, says ex No 10 official, in v interesting piece:

inews.co.uk/opinion/i-worked-downing-street-tories-can-help-young/amp/

Badders08 · 15/09/2017 20:34

My pils are 75 and 73
Dhs aunt and uncle are 80 and 86
All true blue Tories
Most of the over 60s where I live vote Tory
Its very very hard not to feel hideously angry towards them.
What's that line in to kill a mockingbird?
"When this is over these people are still our friends..."
I can't see myself ever feeling that way ^
I will always be angry about brexit and those who voted for it
😔😡

Peregrina · 15/09/2017 20:57

I am 66 and have never voted Tory. DH is now 68, and saw the error of his ways after Thatcher got in.

Badders08 · 15/09/2017 20:59

Mum's 71 and labour through and through 😁

TheElementsSong · 15/09/2017 21:00

In that event, we will not have to worry about international flights from the UK being grounded, since none of us will have passports that will permit us to travel !

Wow, what a fabulous benefit of Brexit BigChoc Grin! Maybe it's intentional? ISTR somebody on these threads suggesting that our lords and betters would eventually want a way to stop British people escaping the Brexit Britain hellhole wonderland for a better inferior life abroad.

HashiAsLarry · 15/09/2017 21:07

My df voted ukip in 2015. Because he didn't agree with the Tories on disability benefits Hmm But then he can't figure out if you're not right wing then there's options other than labour. I'm not sure if he's worked out the existence of the greens either.

Dm was always liberal leaning until she hit 60. Now she spouts dfs ukip crap. Though in fairness she has realised that she didn't give either of her dd's enough credit and that we actually looked into our choice beyond reading tabloids.

RedToothBrush · 15/09/2017 21:36

J.J. Patrick‏*@J*_amesp
Just FYI, this is an actual BSE outbreak map, as opposed to a grey scale Brexit vote map:

OUCH!

Westminstenders: The beginning of the dictatorship and the end of Boris?
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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2017 21:46

Did anyone post thing one??

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/14/home-secretary-ignores-court-order-sends-asylum-seeker-kabul-samim-bigzad?CMP=share_btn_tw
Home secretary ignores court order and sends asylum seeker to Kabul
Samim Bigzad says he is living in fear in hotel room in Afghan capital after armed men arrived looking for him

Home Secretary in Contempt of Court.

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2017 21:52

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/15/boris-johnsons-10-point-plan-successful-brexit/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw
Boris Johnson's 10-point plan for a successful Brexit

Just before TM's big speech....

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EternalOptimistToo · 15/09/2017 21:54

Yesi posted that one. I found it exactely at the same than an article saying the government think Europeans are if great value for the Uk...

But YY HO showing contempt to the Courts. Says it all really.

RedToothBrush · 15/09/2017 21:54

And he's also done his own column pitch for the Tory Leadership

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/15/boris-johnson-vision-bold-thriving-britain-enabled-brexit/
Boris Johnson: My vision for a bold, thriving Britain enabled by Brexit

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2017 21:56

Jessica Elgot‏*@jessicaelgot*
A leadership bid where you try and outflank the PM in the hard Brexit stakes is... interesting

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Peregrina · 15/09/2017 22:11

I think Boris missed a word out before Commonwealth. This word was White. I don't for one minute expect people from Nigeria, Ghana, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Fiji, Malaya etc. etc. to be especially welcomed here.

Peregrina · 15/09/2017 22:12

Can Amber Rudd be arrested for Contempt of Court? It would be good to see.

PattyPenguin · 15/09/2017 22:17

One of BoJo's points - forriners buying up property in London... Since when have Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia and China been in the EU? Did I blink and miss something?
www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/13/foreign-investors-snapping-up-london-homes-suitable-for-first-time-buyers

God's sake...

IdontlooklikeEmmaWatson · 15/09/2017 22:29

Apologies for lowering the tone but

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/15/boris-johnsons-10-point-plan-successful-brexit/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw

BJ's 10 point plan is stupid, dumb, bigoted, hypocrite, gas lighting horse shit.

And breathe.

IdontlooklikeEmmaWatson · 15/09/2017 22:32

Am i forgiven to suspect that some in the tori government would love some sort 21st century British version of apartheid?

lalalonglegs · 15/09/2017 22:32

It's behind the paywall but I hope he's mentioned clinky Hmm.

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