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Westminstenders: The beginning of the dictatorship and the end of Boris?

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2017 10:55

Brexit is being fought in the UK media and parliament on the premise that the EU is being difficult and obstructive.

The fallacy can not be understated.

What the UK fails to understand is the right of the EU to put their own interests before the UKs. It doesn't under that our demands cannot be met even if the EU wanted to for practical and legal reasons - not political ones because our understanding of the situation and law is so poor.

The net result is the slippage of the next phase of Brexit talks being pushed to Christmas by the EU due to lack of progress by the UK. Barnier is open to more regular and intense talks but this is bad news for the UK with the a50 clock ticking.

The main stumbling block is NI a with Barnier warning not to use the border as a way to test EU resolve. Brexit always about the NI border. The UK have never provided a solution to the EU that does not produce a hard border. The idea being pushed by the UK will create one despite claiming it won't. The reality is the only viable solutions are either staying in the single market and customs union or NI being granted special status and being different to the rest of the country. The former is opposed by the government, the later opposed by the DUP.

The DUP are getting a taste of their own medicine. They have been warned that Assembly Members might have pay frozen and if they don't reform Stormont they won't get their Billion Pound Booty. Plus Ian Paisley Jr just found a new scandal for the party.

May is trying to channel Venezuela by getting rid of democracy when it suits. The Great Repel Bill (aka as the Withdrawal Bill) faces it's challenge. The much feared Henry VIII in clause 9 are not only facing criticism from Remainers but also from the secretive crackpots of Tory Bastard Club (aka ERG). The TBC want hard cliff edge Brexit. May seems to support given her goodwill burning interference at the Home Office which seeks to discriminate against all foreigners and make them sign a register. The visa system and how it will attract much needed staff for the NHS makes the mind boggle.

The Repel Bill also could end the possibility of transition due to clause 6 which requires us to leave the ECJ. Given the May's ambition to make EU citizens display their stars in job applications this is totally unable to the EU. If it passes the chances of transition drop dramatically. Bye bye Smooth and Orderly.

Then there is the May-Bot paradox: the one were she gives a friendly speech to the EU and a nasty on to the Swivel Eyed Loon gathering. As if neither will be reported to the other audience.

On top of this May is attempting the Parliament Rigging Act as she has a 'majority Government'. Yep I know, this is the general election version of 'will of the people'. The Rigging Act seeks to stack parliamentary committees with Tory majorities so they can stop any bill they don't like getting anywhere need the main chamber this limiting the power of opposition to irrelevant. Sadly I think this one will get through due to maths of the HoC atm.

We shouldn't forget the role of the HoL though and the lack of a majority government (why do you think May is saying majority government? It's down to the Sewell convention and trying to make the case it applies when the argument is it doesn't for a minority government).

The other development is the rumours that Boris is for the boot. And Rees-Mogg might get a promotion.

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LurkingHusband · 15/09/2017 11:19

The only thing we need from religion (curiously it's also the only thing that seems to be almost word-for-word common to all religions) is

"treat thy neighbour as thyself"

All else is frippery of the highest order.

From an entropic point of view, religion is probably the worst encoding system in creation. Thousands of years, countless words, wars and ways just to deliver a 5-word message.

BiglyBadgers · 15/09/2017 11:20

Parsons Green: London Underground blast is terror incident
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

HashiAsLarry · 15/09/2017 11:38

bigly Flowers to dh
Have just switched on tv and seen about Parsons Green.
Someone has just been interviewed on BBC and ended it saying we need to do something about the deplorable political situation that feeds these x
Missed his actual description but he did refer to the terrorists as maniacs unapologetically.

TheElementsSong · 15/09/2017 11:39

Parsons Green: London Underground blast is terror incident

Sad Awful, whilst I am very thankful nobody was severely hurt.

LurkingHusband · 15/09/2017 11:46

Parsons Green: London Underground blast is terror incident

Yeah, I'm waiting a touch. It's a dreadful thing, but Hmm

The pictures I've seen aren't convincing,

lalalonglegs · 15/09/2017 11:58

It does seem am odd target as, although technically Parsons Green is part of the tube network, it's overground there so the impact of an explosion is likely to be much less dramatic - not just in terms of injury (thank God) but also the panic and confusion it causes compared to an underground station potentially filled with dust , smoke and darkness. If you're planning a terrorist act, I'm guessing you want it to be as nasty as possible.

Gumpendorf · 15/09/2017 12:01

Trump tweets. What was Red saying the other day about internet curbs?

Another attack in London by a loser terrorist.These are sick and demented people who were in the sights of Scotland Yard. Must be proactive!

Loser terrorists must be dealt with in a much tougher manner.The internet is their main recruitment tool which we must cut off & use better!

The travel ban into the United States should be far larger, tougher and more specific-but stupidly, that would not be politically correct!

LurkingHusband · 15/09/2017 12:01

It's "explosion" I am struggling with. Especially when we do have the word "inflagration" to hand HmmHmmHmmHmm

LurkingHusband · 15/09/2017 12:03

Also, things getting scrutinised too closely in government ? Need a news diversion ?

Not saying it is. But not saying I'm not thinking it either.

thecatfromjapan · 15/09/2017 12:03

Doubt it was the target - Victoria more likely. Sounds as though it went off accidentally.

Already seen tweets blaming our Mayor. Angry

There's a thread about falling London house prices, and it made me think about your Legatum Institute links, Woman . Disaster capitalism is going to make a killing, isn't it? If you can afford to donate thousands/millions to Legatum to lobby/influence and then research where best to make a killing, you're going to have the money to snap up property in a shorter-term crash.

HashiAsLarry · 15/09/2017 12:28

On Trumps tweets
@stigabell
Either he has made this up or revealed intelligence unnecessarily. Nice work.

thecatfromjapan · 15/09/2017 12:30

His tweet is utterly bizarre, isn't it, Hashi ?

LurkingHusband · 15/09/2017 12:36

Either he has made this up or revealed intelligence unnecessarily. Nice work.

It would be interestingly amusing if Trump had tweeted about the outrage before it happened ....

BiglyBadgers · 15/09/2017 12:39

The bit about the internet is nuts, but I am sure May will be nodding in vigorous agreement. She would love to just "cut off" the internet I'm sure.

RandomlyGenerated · 15/09/2017 12:40

LH the difference between a deflagration and a detonation is the speed of the reaction, but they are both types of explosion.

BiglyBadgers · 15/09/2017 12:44

And that, randomly, is exactly the sort of educational content I come in this thread for Grin

RandomlyGenerated · 15/09/2017 12:48

You're welcome, Bigly. I have picked up some obscure knowledge over a rather varied career!

LurkingHusband · 15/09/2017 12:56

LH the difference between a deflagration and a detonation is the speed of the reaction, but they are both types of explosion.

Accepted.

So how would you characterise the picture doing the rounds ?

I'll wager if it was a bomb, it was definitely home-grown and home-made. So much for science in schools these days.

LurkingHusband · 15/09/2017 13:12

some light relief ...

Westminstenders: The beginning of the dictatorship and the end of Boris?
RandomlyGenerated · 15/09/2017 13:15

It was in a plastic bucket, so I don't think it was designed particularly well (it wasn't confined very well for instance).

BBC is reporting that only a primary explosive substance was initiated and the main charge beneath was not detonated.

If that is the case then I think if it had been in a sealed metal container and the primary explosive had been properly directed into the main charge it would have been a very different story.

RandomlyGenerated · 15/09/2017 13:18

And then there is the possibility that it was only designed to deflagrate, i.e. create a fireball.

LurkingHusband · 15/09/2017 13:19

probably totally inappropriate, but can't help be reminded of:

www.magnetreleasing.com/fourlions/

"Brother crow ...."

OlennasWimple · 15/09/2017 13:33

Parsons Green is overground, but the District line continues on into central London underground (including WEstminster). I wonder whether it was on one of the new District line trains (no doors between carriages) or the old ones (much more compact)

Either way it's something of a miracle* that no-one appears to have been badly hurt. It looks like the IED was exactly the sort of suspect package that travellers are encouraged to report to the authorities, but I've been on plenty of commuter trains where people would rather move a bit further away from the suitcase apparently with no owner than alert the authorities and risk the train being delayed...

  • that's as religious as I'm getting today
HashiAsLarry · 15/09/2017 13:39

Parsons Green is overground, but the District line continues on into central London underground
I'm pretty sure that none of the 7/7 bombs went off where planned either, though I think that was more due to train delays.
Very thankful that whoever did this appears to have made it poorly, though it seems to be serving a purpose unfortunately.

HashiAsLarry · 15/09/2017 13:40

Sorry, that either shouldn't have been in there.
Made sense before I edited the sentence Blush