Has anybody changed their mind about how they voted?

[fakenamefornow]

It seems not many people have?

There were lots of people that voted remain for nonsensical reasons too fakenamefornow, who also didnt have a clue about any of it.

For me, left wingers in particular who voted Brexit ARE grossly naive.

Sorry. It's not personal.

I just...if you're a 'comfortable' right-winger who wants a deregulated economy, who wants health and safety regs torn up (aka Jacob Rees Mogg) who hates immigration, who likes Farage, David Davis and Johnson, I get why you'd vote Brexit.

But for anyone who cares about social justice, to knowingly vote in a way that will bring hardship on us all, especially poorer people, in a way that will decimate the NHS, and other sectors, to vote alongside the racists and the extreme right, it shows just ...such an astounding lack of foresight. I just can't understand it.

Maybe so, Michael, but their decision won't have wide-reaching consequences for NI, our economy, our relationships with other countries, etc.

Fifteen months on, I still can't really get my head around putting something so monumentally important - and so lacking in a plan - to a simple yes/no vote, or that the government didn't accept the outcome of the advisory referendum to renegotiate with the EU/use it as a springboard to fix what is wrong in this country.

Lexiteers often cited Germany's treatment of Greece as reasons for leave. Golden Dawn is the only Greek 'party' that wants leave in Greece.

No. In fact, more outraged that lies were allowed to pervade and remain uncorrected.

Interesting how leave voters researched and knew the many outcomes and consequences of the Brexit vote. So, I take it their forethought on the possible reneging of the GFA (or near enough to) means they couldn't give a jot about the will of 71% of NI. So much for the 'will of the people'. How did they envisage the EU citizens of NI (not from the other 27 countries) would be affected in cross border activities? Just asking as they have their finger on the pulse from before the ref and are the most prescient of us all. They should be accompanying Davis to the negotiations as they must have the solutions to any impasse.

In fact, all matters should be solved by these people who had researched everything and knew all the possible outcomes. Why are they keeping stumm?

No. In fact, more outraged that lies were allowed to pervade and remain uncorrected.

There was a bit of discussion on R4 about this a while ago asking why the electorate didn't punish people, Brexit/Trump, for telling lies? I only caught a bit of it so didn't really hear the outcome.

Come on Cailleach - a lot of English don't know that NI is part of the UK!

Why are they keeping stumm

EDL, Britain First, rabid press, collaborator BBC?

No opposition, democratic accountability decimated?

And it is so bloody complicated. Most of the legal and trade stuff is way beyond my understanding, so like everyone else I retreat to my own prejudices.

And being annoyed by it all, thinking democracy is an event not a process?

fakenamefornow for telling lies
This is a great thread red posted about what's happened:

Steve Bullock‏**@GuitarMoog**
Someone asked me the other day what I thought the worst thing about Brexit would be 1/
There are of course almost endless bad things about Brexit 2/
But perhaps the very worst thing isn't even directly related to leaving the EU 3/
I think the very worst thing might be the seemingly irreparable damage done to standards in political and public life 4/
Since the referendum constitutional conventions have been broken flagrantly and without consequence to those breaking them 5/
The convention of individual ministerial responsibility requires the resignation of a minister for serious errors by their dept 6/
And yet 100 expulsion letters can be sent to legal residents without even talk of the Home Secretary resigning 7/
Not that long ago at all, the PM and Parliament would have required their resignation. 8/
The convention of collective cabinet responsibility requires Ministers to hold the line of Cabinet in public or resign 9/
This is extremely important. We have only one government, and its ministers should speak with one voice 10/
Yet Cabinet ministers bicker and contradict one another in public constantly, without even serious approbation. 11/
And they do so on the most important issue facing the UK in decades 12/
Being found to have knowingly lied, particularly but not exclusively to Parliament, was regarded as the most serious matter 13/
And yet on numerous issues around Brexit, Ministers have lied and misled with total impunity 14/
To point out any of these things though is to be a whinger, a loser, as if it is special pleading or pedantry 15/
Our ministers of state consider it normal to refer to vast swathes of the electorate with silly insults 16/

If I'm honest Cailleach I am astounded that the NI referendum vote was only 56% to remain, given the difficulties you've just raised.

Maybe so, Michael, but their decision won't have wide-reaching consequences for NI, our economy, our relationships with other countries, etc.

Sorry twofingers just spotted this; I was responding to the poster who wished everyone who had little clue about the EU had stayed at home and not voted.

I'm astonished that Remain got 48%+ considering the british press and nf had convince most of the populace that britain was at war with the EU and refugees.

NI referendum vote was only 56% to remain

Well, according to the logic applied to the overall referendum result, 56% = 100%

(Only joking)

My 70 year old mum reads the Fail and voted remain; we're an odd bunch or as my gran used to say, a right rum lot

I voted leave because I hate globalisation. The EU doesn't follow my socialist ideals.
I love love free people movement but immigration is NOT THE ONLY REASON TO VOTE LEAVE.

I hate this assumption.

Thirdeye: How is leaving the EU going to help fight against globalisation? Or do you mean we should just trade within the UK and be totally self-sufficient?

I voted leave because I hate globalisation. The EU doesn't follow my socialist ideals.

How does legatum's agenda fit in with your socialist ideals, or a JRM or BJ premiership?

Which aspects of the Enabling Act are going to achieve any socialist victories?

Thinking about it the Enabling Act could bring about both.

JC could be elected and could be a Soviet style ruler of an autarkic communist state( except he's a trot, but.......)using Enabling Act to smash opposition and get rid of parliamentary accountability.

So fair point it could come into being. Just might be a little bit north korea-ish.

I have a feeling that quite a few in the labour party are ahead of me on that one.

It's a bad move to destroy our constitution, and that's exactly what may has done under the fig leaf of brexit.

Not every prime minister might be as reasonable as she is

Still for the life of me can't see why British people want these old power hungry mad men who don't even live here deciding our fate

Now leavers have simply handed that power over to other power hungry mad old men that don't even live here. James Murdoch has said today the Brexit means we have to allow the Sky deal because we need all the investment we can get....

I voted leave because I hate globalisation.

In what way do you think Brexit is going to...what...halt globalisation?

Fascinating.

I voted leave because I hate globalisation. The EU doesn't follow my socialist ideals.

How do you envisage the UK following your socialist ideals after Brexit?

How do you envisage the UK following your socialist ideals after Brexit?

Get Labour elected and have Corbyn for PM?

Get Labour elected and have Corbyn for PM?
That would be ace

How on earth do people think Corbyn is going to be able to solve the problems this country faces because of Brexit?

Blimey, were really are fucked if Corbyn is to be our Saviour!