Has anybody changed their mind about how they voted?

[fakenamefornow]

It seems not many people have?

Yes, that would be true.

Ah, don't let's worry our pretty little heads about it, we just have to sit back and see what unfolds (for, ooh, say 20 years) before we jump to premature conclusions that anything could be amiss. We ought to know our place and trust our superiors who are leading us in their wisdom.

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That's what particularly annoys me, TheElements - if the Brexiters had some proper plans and were getting stuck in to bring them about e.g. bringing more work to the regions, and not just zero hours rubbish, then I don't think I would be more accepting personally but would have a vague whisper of hope that something could be sorted out. But at the moment, it's just soundbites.

I think these threads have repeatedly shown is that for a very large proportion of Leave voters their decision was all about immigration.

They are simply not interested in the fact that any kind of restriction on immigration is going to have far more adverse consequences on the rest of the economy than it is benefits from the reduced immigration figures.

That's why they're not bothered about a lack of plan. While TM keeps banging on about migration, they're getting what they want from Brexit.

It's not going to be until reality bites and they see that immigrants aren't the cause of all ills in this country and that the price we need to pay to even marginally restrict them is going to be be felt much more acutely, in terms increased cost of living.

Not many people were directly adversely affected by immigration, a great deal more will be affected by the increase in living costs which will be a direct result of leaving the EU- it's already happening with inflation and we are not going to get a better trade agreement with the EU than we have now so that will lead to increase costs too.

I work with a really nasty piece of work with a little bit of authority. She manipulates, schemes and bullies people until they become a bag of nerves and leave. She hates lots of different groups of people - people who come here to work, people who don't work, anyone that went to university, single mums, in fact most people. Hate is eating her up. Its not difficult to guess what she voted for last year.

Not surprisingly she hasn't changed her mind about her vote. She'll be on her hands and knees begging Trump for a genetically modified slice of bread and still think she made the right decision. Some people will never, ever admit they were wrong.

Namechanger22 I know some right twats who voted Remain, what's your point?

No I haven't changed my opinion of the EU or the way I voted. But if I'd known there was no damn plan for leave in place I'd have spoiled my ballot paper with a giant Fuck EU instead. I've said before the whole situation is a clusterfuck of giant proportions. As a Lexiter it's rather odd to find yourself loathed by the right and left. But as an uneducated working class northerner, I'm hard as nails and have long since stopped giving a second's thought about any bigoted assumptions made about me. Usually by those who claim to be tolerant and accepting of the right to hold a different opinion 😂

Namechanger22 I know some right twats who voted Remain,

What assumptions have people made about you?

What's with the wee humphy face? It's true, I do know some right twats who voted remain.

But if I'd known there was no damn plan for leave in place I'd have spoiled my ballot paper with a giant Fuck EU instead.

I think a lot of us - whatever we voted - weren't aware at the time of how complex it was going to be. Would you say that was true for you, or did you actually think Boris et al must have a plan?

The humphy face was just a little bit of disbelief. The people I know that voted remain are all lovely, they're also my friends, so it's just my personal experience.

What assumptions have people made about you?

namechanger22 disbelief at what? That not all remain voters are on Team Good? 👼 That a vote for remain doesn't automatically cancel out someone being a twat with shitty views? As for what assumptions have been made about me as a leave voter, I think you're being a bit disingenuous there aren't you? So here's your wee humphy face back

histiny I know I was naive to think that Cameron might actually have had the foresight to plan for the event of a leave vote. I'm stunned at the staggering incompetence of this government's handling of Brexit. Even as a eurosceptic, I wasn't chomping at the bit for a referendum on the matter, which is why in 2015 I wanted Ed Milliband as PM and didn't vote for Cameron and his referendum promise (it would be a cold day in hell before I voted conservative tbf). On saying that I'd have much preferred David Milliband to have stood for election but I'm digressing and waffling now.

Poor Oliver Norgrove is getting very concerned ("Frankly, I'm petrified") about the possibility of a no deal Brexit, becoming a 'third country' and exiting from the single market. At least he's had the courage to say it, unlike all the head-in-the-sand folk. He also uses the phrase 'economic suicide'.

Poor Oliver Norgrove is getting very concerned

Talking Britain Down! Not Having Faith! Dissing the Will of the People! Burn the heretic!

As for what assumptions have been made about me as a leave voter, I think you're being a bit disingenuous there aren't you?

Not at all. I know that leave voters are a mixed bag - rich and poor, young and old etc. You said that people had made bigoted assumptions about you. I was just wondering what they were specifically? I don't know why you can't just answer the question.

I know I was naive to think that Cameron might actually have had the foresight to plan for the event of a leave vote.

I think that was naive - sorry, don't hate me! - there was nothing to suggest that Cameron or Leave had a plan, and you had virtually the entire business community, economists, scientists, civil servants, moderate politicians speaking out against the lack of plan and being mocked as 'project fear'. So instead you chose to put your trust in four or five quite nutty right wing politicians with soundbites but no substance? For me, that was... an odd choice.

If people do read back the old ref threads, we can see how many people did think like this though: There are loads of comments like 'they'll sort it out' - I was always surprised at the amount of faith people had in this unknown 'they' who had a plan - (especially when it was the same people who had been burbling on about the hated elites too.)

Naivety is normal though. You would have thought they'd be a plan. We all would. Delusion is something else. And I find Corcory's completely unfounded belief that Brexit heralds a great multi-cultural leap for this country fits into that category.

I certainly knew it would be complex. Why shouldn't it have been? If it took tiny (in population terms) Greenland with one major industry, fishing, three years to disentangle itself, why on earth wouldn't it take many times more than that for a country with a much bigger population and much closer ties? Don't forget when we went into the EEC we did a number of years preparatory work.

But we have variously been told by Leave Tories that it would be sorted out in an afternoon, or that trade deals would have been agreed by 16th September, last year, not this, or there would be no difference to the status of EU citizens in the UK, etc. etc. They thought we could have our cake and eat it and they thought the EU was bluffing when they said not, and now our bluff is being called.

I'm surrounded by a lot of left wing leavers, so it didn't feel am odd choice to make to me, you're more likely to find me on a picket line in a donkey jacket than hobnobbing with any right wing nutty types but I can appreciate why you think I made the wrong call. Don't apologise for agreeing with me about my naivety, I can take it

If we're talking unicorns I'd have preferred to have left the EU under a Labour government with an EFTA/EEA arrangement. Didn't even think the Maybot would consider a no deal situation; to think I felt rather her than Andrea 'as a mother' Leadsom during the leadership contest (although that was like choosing between Medusa or the Hydra).

I think most people thought that as a reluctant Remainer May would be a safe but rather uninspired pair of hands, and would probably go for the EEA route, or Norway option, which Nigel Farage himself was happy to promote, before the Referendum. Then May decided that appeasing the fascist wing of her party was the best thing to do, which fitted in nicely with her own anti-immigration policies.

I think we can still say she's uninspired.

MichaelFabricantsHair

But knowing everything you know now, you say you'd still vote Leave?

twofingerstoEverything

At least he's had the courage to say it, unlike all the head-in-the-sand folk.

Yes I agree, it does take courage maybe because it's not read so much as 'I've changed my mind in the light of the facts' but 'I was wrong' and nobody likes to admit they were wrong.

Why did we 'leave'?

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200004

Petition for a parliament which is not allowed to vote.

In which a bribe has been paid for May to stay in office.

From an electorate which may not be allowed vote either.

Sovereignty, eh?

fakenamefornow I'd spoil my ballot paper like a petulant child, I reckon.

I didn't have evil intentions when I voted so have no regrets as such, I'm just a very ordinary person, beaming live to you from my social housing utopia oop north who ticked a box

We all just ticked a box. For me, t seemed like a very important decision to make, others seemed a lot less bothered.

I really wish the people that didn't have a clue about any of it had just stayed at home that day.