Has anybody changed their mind about how they voted?

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It seems not many people have?

By Flowerpot's logic we should cancel the 2016 Referendum - after all we had already had one in 1975, and the result of that should have been good enough.

I voted to end the UK's membership of the European Union.

God help us

Did you vote to end Parliamentary Sovereignty? This is what May and their cronies are up to now - not satisfied with calling an unnecessary election which they weren't clever enough to win outright.

ECJ rulings are on the application of European Law in EU countries; ECtHR rulings on human rights in countries that are signatories to the EHCR are entirely separate.

Not "part and parcel" of the EU at all.

Bearbehind You asked me a question, and I directly and politely responded. I have had no previous correspondence with you, and look at your impolite reply. Why be so rude? You also failed to answer my question to you.

See how unhelpful attitudes like yours are? Neither side needs to behave like this.

@RandomlyGenerated it's not that straight forward.

www.e-ir.info/2017/07/27/implications-of-brexit-for-the-european-convention-on-human-rights/

flowerpot do you honestly think it really was as simple as voting to remain part of the EU or not?

Do you seriously think that, when you categorically stated that you knew exactly what you were voting for, that it really was that simple?

The most unhelpful attitude is from those who completely failed to look any further into the implications of their choice than a simple yes/ no.

Wondering if any of the male posters have any suggestions?

@manwhohasitall
My colleague is chairing a conference. She needs a male on the panel. Suggestions?

Were you voting for the £350 million a week for the NHS? We have now been told that we are not getting that.
Sovereignty - that's just about to go out the window, if you mean Parliamentary Sovereignty.
Control immigration - you're OK there, the Home Office is zealously pursuing people to kick them out and then crying 'mistake' when they are caught out.

manclife that article debates what happens if the UK leaves the EHCR. The only change that will currently happen due to Brexit is where rights exist under the Charter of Fundamental Rights that are not within the EHCR.

So it is that simple when it comes to the EHCR.

The role of the ECJ after Brexit is not so clear - hence Neuberger requesting clarity:

www.ft.com/content/bdcdbd9e-7c17-11e7-9108-edda0bcbc928

Do you seriously think that, when you categorically stated that you knew exactly what you were voting for, that it really was that simple?

It's already been politely explained to you Bear that the PP voted with full and complete understanding and foresight of all the complexities and consequences. Therefore, if they say that the answer can be purely reduced to "I voted to leave the EU", they must be correct. It really is that simple. Got it?

(That's why we mustn't expect answers regarding parliamentary sovereignty and the power-grab of the Enabling Act, or EURATOM and access to radiotherapy, or harassment of EU citizens legitimately living here, or any other issues - they have been Willed By The People to Simply Not Exist).

I hear you elements I'm just that someone, after all this time, would categorically state

I have been accused of not knowing what I voted for - I did

Then simply say it was just about staying within the EU or not.

Just when you think nothing else can shock you.....

Just when you think nothing else can shock you.....

Welcome to the Sunlit Uplands....

It really is that ideological isn't it?

Bear I think it's fair enough to say that you knew that ticking the Leave box on the ballot paper meant the UK leaving the EU.

I don't think anyone really understood the complete shit storm that actually leaving the EU will entail, because it has ramifications that the man on the Clapham omnibus could not reasonably foresee.

random my point was that flowerpot specifically stated she knew what she voted for.

Given that even now noone knows what Brexit will look like, I questioned what she had actually voted for.

If people had looked a little harder at the implications and consequences of their vote we might not be in the mess we are now.

Even after all this time there has not been a single argument that outlines how any downsides of leaving will be countered by the elusive benefits we have to look forward to.

I don't think anyone really understood the complete shit storm that actually leaving the EU will entail, because it has ramifications that the man on the Clapham omnibus could not reasonably foresee.

How Very Dare You Insult The Wisdom Of The People! They have clearly and repeatedly stated that they fully and completely understood every possible aspect of their vote.

Bear I get that, but if you want to be dogmatic then you can simply say my vote was to Leave the EU and leave it at that.

At least the answer wasn't "to take back sovereignty".

I see what you are saying random, I suppose it's the reason there should never have been a referendum in the first place.

The choice was never a simple yes/ no and anyone who still thinks it was is, at best naive, at worst deluded (and that most definitely includes DD).

I just can't get my head round someone saying I have been accused of not knowing what I voted for - I did and it still being nothing more than that simple, binary argument even after all this time.

Because many people who voted Leave have blind faith in the government to make it work in the UK's interest.

Surely you've had a boss that says "don't bring me problems, bring me solutions"? It's that same kind of thing.

With the added benefit of the boss having made the choice that caused the problem in the first place!

The only positive was the £350 million a week for the NHS. On MN we are told that Leavers weren't deluded by that promise. So what were they voting for?

Yes, I have had bosses who don't want to be brought problems, only solutions, make a complete mess of things, sack or drive out good staff, and then clear off themselves after a couple of years leaving others to sort out the mess. As Cameron did, and as May will do in her turn.

No to the original question. And I will never, ever think that leaving the EU was a good idea, not tomorrow, not in a month's time, not in ten years' time. And I am fed up with politicians, newspapers, commentators stating that we should 'get behind' leaving the EU and that those who don't are saboteurs.

And I am getting absolutely fed up with Leavers blaming everybody but themselves for the mess that we are already in because of the vote. And more importantly, the mess that we will be in.

Just remember Sir Ivan Roger's resignation letter:

I hope you will continue to challenge ill-founded arguments and muddled thinking and that you will never be afraid to speak the truth to those in power.

I hope that you will support each other in those difficult moments where you have to deliver messages that are disagreeable to those who need to hear them.

It was a mistake to ever call a referendum.
What will happen to the EU, in the future?
Presumably the French and German dominance, as it has been right from the start, will continue? What will the EU 'morph' into?