The Brexit Arms. All welcome.

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So.....how are we all?

What, not even the patriots surfer?

I will always be proud that I voted for our freedom & independence - but I won't be thinking about it on my death bed no.

Can you list the tangible benefits I am likely to experience post-Brexit, Surfer, or is it that, like Mummy has just happily admitted, you don't actually have a clue?

Surfer, given that the Brexit white paper states sovereignty was never lost can you please explain what you mean by freedom and independence. Could you also explain how an unelected head of state and house of Lords fits into this view?

It really does appall me that Leavers are sending this country over a cliff edge all based on a handful of slogans and a few waving flags.

Even after all this time no one can offer a single, tangible benefit that outweighs the costs we know we are going to face.

I truly, truly hope it bites you on the arse.

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Can you list the tangible benefits I am likely to experience post-Brexit

No. because I don't know you personally so have absolutely no idea what benefits you will experience.

Could you also explain how an unelected head of state and house of Lords fits into this view?

Exactly - do we really need more people we've never heard of telling us what to do?
Two wrongs do not make a right.

"Answering a question with a question Caroline? How are young people's lives going to be enhanced post Brexit? You don't know do you?"

Well in the absence of histy, or anyone, managing any original thought whilst regurgitating nothing but project fear, were all going to die dont you know......... lets ask some young people who voted shall we.

No. because I don't know you personally so have absolutely no idea what benefits you will experience.

Brexit was supposed to benefit all British people was it not? So whether you know people personally is irrelevant.

Exactly - do we really need more people we've never heard of telling us what to do?

When can I expect you to start threads calling for the abolition of both the above? When can I expect the tabloids to start campaigns?

Ok Caroline you needed the internet to tell you why you voted leave. The stuff in that link has been largely debunked.

"The stuff in that link has been largely debunked."

Oh, my apologies, were they remain voters afterall?

www.statista.com/statistics/266228/youth-unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/

Has this been de bunked too?

Oh we're back to unemployment figures in other countries again. Why?

Young people in this country are saddled with student fees, unaffordable housing, high rents etc. Not exactly a utopia is it? How many young people are underemployed, part of the gig economy?

"Young people in this country are saddled with student fees, unaffordable housing, high rents etc. Not exactly a utopia is it? How many young people are underemployed, part of the gig economy?"

But I thought it was all brilliant? I thought the EU was the saviour of all. Heavens what future for histys DCs?

I'll ask Histy again, What do you believe youre losing that makes your DCs future appear so bleak?

PS the 'other countries' are an EU state coming to you soon.... (or not, thank you brexiteers

Sigh. The things I mentioned are the fault of British governments. How will Brexit help young people.?

Brexit will hinder young people by potentially limiting travel, ability to study abroad. In this country EU coloboration in science, engineering etc will end. This will have a knock on affect in academia and the jobs market. If the economy slows less job opportunities. That ok for you caroline?

You haven't answered my question, Caroline. What tangible benefits am I likely to expect either without or with (generally accepted by brexiteers) the twenty years of economic hardship?

What do you do histy? where do you live? what were you hoping for your DCs that you now feel is lost?
(20 years is bollocks by the way)
If youre a benefits claimant, then Id assume at this stage you really wont notice a great deal of change to anything.

Ghost youre into ifs and what ifs yet again. The government has said it will stand by any lost funding, what restrictions do you think will be imposed on students? Why wont students be able to study abroad? (or is this the, we'll all be banned from europe argument) Theres no suggestion Unis will do away with their exchange programmes, so are you talking erasmus?

EU students coming to the UK is a different matter, as it should be.

What do you believe you're losing that makes your DCs future appear so bleak?

Not much, so far it's just:-

• the right to move freely within the UK
• the increased cost of living due to inflation
• increased cost of travelling due to the plummeted pound
• lack of certainty on how the northern and Southern Ireland issue can be resolved
• lack of a plan for trade which doesn't involve carrying on as we are with none of the downsides
• the lack of clarity on how the fuck this is actually going to work out

The EU not the UK

No, I don't understand why you won't tell me some benefits we're going to experience.

I don't know why you would need to know more about me- surely we will all be blessed in some way by leaving the eu, no?

Mummy says she has no bloody idea, surfer seems to have the hump, faith is waving her flag, surely you can just cheer me up with a list of positives.

Fuck me surfer it was obviously a joke

" - the right to move freely within the UK

• the increased cost of living due to inflation
• increased cost of travelling due to the plummeted pound
• lack of certainty on how the northern and Southern Ireland issue can be resolved
• lack of a plan for trade which doesn't involve carrying on as we are with none of the downsides
• the lack of clarity on how the fuck this is actually going to work out"

Yep, number 1, FOM is out. Absolutely. (Except for tourism of course which would be unaffected). I also dont think youre refering to schengen, as, as with 'goods' once youre in the eu zone youre free to travel through the zone, whatever nationality you are. Im assuming schengen still exists of course..... for now.

So your concern is work and resettlement? I can get that, but to build government policy around facilitating those wishing to leave the UK, rather than those wishing to stay, would be foolhardy to say the least. (Something we've learnt from the NHS exodus).

2/ Inflation. We have various options on the cards. Inflation. Hyperinflation. Deflation. Stagflation. Greece, I feel may go from deflation to hyperinflation, not bothering to stop at inflation on the way, but the biggest risk imo in the EU is stagflation. Currently, you should be comfortable with the existing inflation rate. Its controlled and out of the grips of the eurozone crisis. Put in context of DCs future, you cant ask for anything more secure than national control over currency and monetary policy. Find me an economist that says differently.
3/ Plummeting pound. I posted a link way back up thread. If I can be bothered (though clearly you didnt read it the first time) Ill re post.
4/ NI. There is lack of certainty. I agree. At the moment. However the CTA does and always did, top trump EU requirements. Will there be lack of certainty in 2 years? Absolutely not.
5/ Trade. Again I could copy and paste forever on this. The bottom line, remainers are apoplectic over possible 2 or 3% tariffs (on certain goods, if no trade agreement reached). My point is, and still remains, you wont even notice as corporation tax will be offset.

6/ Hows what going to work?

Now if your real concerns are, as an eu citizen living in the UK, can I stay after brexit? Why dont you just ask? But absolutely yes. Brexit wasnt some racist clear out exercise, no matter how long or loud remainers shout 'racists'. Theres only ever been one intention, and one intention only. Controlled migration. Its ongoing control of whose coming in. Not an unreasonable request from a limited resources nation.

So basically just a bit more waffle then caroline

Sorry to disappoint you but whether I can stay in this country isn't even on my radar. I'm born and bred British.

I truly sickens me that, when you boil this down, every time it results in prejudice based on your country of origin.

Those posting on this thread lately have proven absolutely beyond dispute that they voted leave did so for insular, racial prejudiced reasons.

Have a bear , it may help your warped perspective. Why hang around if so sickened and appalled?