Westministenders: Transition

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Last thread opener, it was all about the government buzz word being shown to listen at every opportunity.

Now transition is creeping in as people realise that no we can't just do a settlement, arrange a new trade deal with the EU and have a whole host of other deals in place in two years.

Who'd have thought.

We will be getting Brexit because we give in to threats of terrorism. Not quite getting how that takes back control.

But Brexit will be good. It will be glorious. And in the long term we will be better off for it.

Er ok.

Prison officers permanently banned from striking after Government wins High Court bid

This seems to be how the Government works now. Employees raise a severe issue, they get ignored, so they refuse to work in unsafe conditions. Instead of trying to sort out the issue the Government spends a fortune taking them to court to stop them striking and force them to work in unsafe conditions. And then when the worst happens we will get bluster and promises and shocked speeches about how the public sector it failing and must be reformed. It's so bloody transparent and yet we fall for it every damn time!

It's a depressing fact that someone generally has to die before things get changed.

As a minor example, when I used to cycle to work, I wrote to the police and the council about a situation that regularly created a serious risk to cyclists. Both wrote back to tell me that since there was no record of serious accidents in this location, they didn't intend even looking at it, never mind doing anything about it.

In other words, there was no risk assessment, even when alerted to the risk. Someone would have to die, or at least be very seriously injured, before the relevant authorities would even consider the matter.

I genuinely believe this is the general attitude. News stories like the one above do nothing to shake my belief.

Olive Clough @ CloughOlive
"Over 331,000 Irish citizens live in Britain. Not only are they Irish citizens, they are also EU citizens."

www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/call-for-irish-in-britain-to-have-vote-in-eu-elections-after-brexit-1.3160500?mode=amp
Call for Irish in Britain to have vote in EU elections after Brexit
Brian Hayes says Government could change electoral law without holding referendum

Well that's one thing for NI I haven't thought of. How it disenfranchised EU citizens from voting.

I think what makes it different for me patty is that this is not just the usual brushing off concerns. This is the Government taking their own workers to court to force them to work in unsafe conditions and stop them from taking any form of industrial action to protest. This is not just ignoring things, it is actively shutting down any dissent. It is frankly dictatorial.

Patty penguin yep that attitude is everywhere. Take Bounty in maternity wards. MN campaign to highlight how it was causing problems and hospital response is "well we've had no complaints". Apart from the fact that part of the campaign was about WHY women were not feeling able / entitled to / have the time to complain.

It's wilful institutional blindness. Otherwise known as negligence when someone does cark it.

Of course that never takes out those making the big decisions, only the mid level in the heirarchy.

How long before the poor are just body parts in waiting for the rich?

You're behind the times ... it's already here:

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/organ-donor-register-opt-out-mps-vote-commons-life-saving-measure-nhs-health-a7840691.html

Hmm...I actually agree with an opt system for organ donation. Not sure that it equates to becoming body parts for the rich.

Opt out system even.

It's a depressing fact that someone generally has to die before things get changed.

When I was going to primary/middle school, the road it was on became a rat run. There were several near misses, and parents and the school begged the (conservative) council to do something.

Come 1978, and a lad was killed . The younger brother of a classmate. In those days, grief counselling consisted of the deputy head telling assembly the day his brother returned to school not to go up and say "I'm sorry" as (and I quote verbatim) Sure as God made little apples he will cry his eyes out

The postscript to the tragedy is that my DM was one of the many school mums who organised a sit-in outside the school, blocking the road, until the council did it. Family folklore has it that she told a policeman to "piss off" when sitting arms-linked in the road.

(Go DM - wherever you are )

Of course, in 2012, the council proposed removing the barrier

MN campaign to highlight how it was causing problems and hospital response is "well we've had no complaints"

That's why I always complain ...

UK threatens to return radioactive waste to EU

lala

UK public services - fire, police, prisons, nhs, safety - run on the CATNIP principle:

CATNIP - "Cheapest Available Technology Not Involving Prosecution"

More people resenting the EU and want it's demise. The UK and Putin have a new buddy. Steve Baker wants it 'destroyed'. Now Netanyahu warning it will 'wither and die'. It must be doing something right.

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/19/eu-will-wither-and-die-if-it-does-not-change-policy-on-israel-netanyahu

It is amusing, isn't it? May saying she can't just promise people money. Oh, yes you can! You can deliver 1 billion just like that. Mind you it was to buy support so they could have more of a toehold in gov't. Does she think voters people are oblivious to the reality and buy this guff ?

We all know how Trump abhors innocent children being killed. I'm sure he will talk action against states who carry out such atrocities. And maybe even those who give them the weapons knowing they are using them to carry out these killings.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/yemen-civil-war-civilian-houthis-deaths-taiz-saudi-arabia-air-strike-victims-war-crimes-un-a7848276.html

Surely it is clear from the articles on Robert Mercer in previous threads, and also the Guardian article on James McGill Buchanan and 'totalitarian capitalism' linked by Rhythm that actually, the enemy is within. We are in the midst of an attempted revolution and it is possible that the Russian angle is a gigantic smokescreen.

Update due later on how the talks are going.

I'm feeling nervous.

I don't think Russia is a smokescreen. I think Russia are funding and supporting these people in order to undermine democracy in the west, without Russia they would not have got the advances they have. Russian involvement and internal attempts at revolution are not mutually exclusive.

howabout Wed 19-Jul-17 14:25:48
Mother the logistics are already there. Part of the foot and mouth prevention strategy for the UK is controlling imports not just of animal feed but of the wider food supply. The bulls for export are subject to strict quarantine, movement tracking and licencing rules already.

All those controls of feed, and quarantine, etc., are in place even within Ireland (and I assume in other EU countries too) in order to provide the continuous monitoring that prevents BSE outbreaks, foot and mouth, etc. or nips them in the bud.

It remains that after Brexit, UK agriculture will be third country agriculture, extra-EU agriculture. Agriculture sector exports may not be possible any more once that happens, depending on how the EU sees fit to protect and develop its own agricultural sector. The controls and the paperwork and the monitoring will all remain in place for domestic purposes, but British agricultural exports may well be a hard sell anywhere.

Russia does not have to waste money on revolution in the west while the Koch brothers and the Robert Mercers (Cambridge Analytica) of this world (see Legatum too) are funding it very effectively themselves, for their own ends. Why would any of those groups want Russia horning in on their racket?

Steve Baker MP (if not a future PM then certainly a puppet master in the shadows) was bankrolled by the Constitutional Research Council, owned and operated by Richard Cook, whose friends and fellow investors include well-placed individuals in the Saudi regime.

Maybe the inability of Trump to understand that Germany cannot make a trade deal with the EU was a case of Trump jumping the gun and anticipating a future where the American and British anti-democratic right - homegrown and without any help from anyone - destroys democracy in a stealthy revolution on a grand scale and then turns its attention to tearing apart the EU.

There is nothing the totalitarian capitalists would like more than the demise of the EU, and the promise of knocking off European economies and political systems like dominoes. What the EU has is public health systems they could get their hands on and turn into a 'healthcare industry' with hospital consortiums answerable only to shareholders, all the banking regulations that could be done away with and the way smoothed for risky mortgage and personal loan products and massive swindles perpetrated on the consumers of one country after another, all the cheaply produced foods that could be dumped in a succession of small markets, all the land gobbled up and turned into golf courses...

Germany cannot make a trade deal with the EU
with the US

We used to order perishables from the United States on a fairly regular basis when I worked in the lab. It was not unusual to lose items because they sat for 2-3 days awaiting customs checks. Every shipment involved a lot of dry ice and stress!

Russia does not have to waste money on revolution in the west while the Koch brothers and the Robert Mercers (Cambridge Analytica) of this world (see Legatum too) are funding it very effectively themselves, for their own ends. Why would any of those groups want Russia horning in on their racket?

It's not just about money though. Russia has a very established network of hackers and propaganda bots that were widely used in the American election and arguably in the brexit ref. Russia can also provide knowledge and advice, they have been doing this shit for years. They also provide a useful political bogey man and air of uncertain threat. Russia's drip, drip, drip of destabilising news stories and leaks is keeping America in a constant state of uncertainty right now.

There have always been rich arseholes wanting to disrupt the status quo for their own benefit. Without Russia behind them the Koch brothers and Mercer's would not have got where they are.

As well as hackers and bots, don't forget the paid trolls.

(Coming to various MN threads soon... Soon? Oh, hang on...)

And Digby Jones says we will see benefits of leaving in a 100 years time.....convenient....
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