Westminstenders: The Negotiations Continue - The DUP ones

[RedToothBrush]

Tomorrow is the Queen’s Speech. In honour of that the start of this thread is written in its honour:

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Immigration is bad. Except for that good immigration.
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Brexit means Brexit
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Pilot scheme.
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Money for –the DUP-- NI
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Brexit means Brexit
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The Internet is Bad. Newspapers are good.
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Brexit means Brexit.
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Britain wave your flag.
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(The Queen’s turns over the page to read the back of the A4 sheet, only to find it blank)

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George Strikes Again

(My bolding)

www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-we-should-unilaterally-allow-eu-citizens-to-stay-a3571591.html
Evening Standard comment: We should unilaterally allow EU citizens to stay

Threatening to make yourself poorer and your NHS weaker isn’t very credible. Nor does anyone believe that, even if she wanted to, Mrs May has the numbers to carry out her threat. She has barely persuaded her Conservative colleagues to back her plan. Last June, in the days immediately after the referendum, David Cameron wanted to reassure EU citizens they would be allowed to stay. All his Cabinet agreed with that unilateral offer, except his Home Secretary, Mrs May, who insisted on blocking it. A vote in the Commons earlier this year was only carried with a nod and a wink to Tory MPs behind the scenes that she didn’t really mean it. Since then, the Government has lost its majority and it seems likely that an opposition motion to grant EU citizens the right to remain unilaterally could be carried.

The way Dominic Cummings was truculent with Andrew Tyrie at the Parliamentary Committee showed exactly the respect he has for the process of democracy. He gave the impression of thinking himself so far above the mere pawns citizens whose reactions were orchestrated by a dirty campaign. Who did parliament think it was to summon him? And the deceitful leaflets with the NHS logo obviously designed to mislead people.

So many people seem to be charlatans. Pulling strokes.

But hey, that is just my opinion. Obviously the time of the elevation of the murky has arrived. Or has it peaked?

I can't imagine Theresa May is much of a fan of George's Marvellous Medicine.

Once you start thinking about rights, what about the children of the children in my hypothetical ?

And related to citizens rights and anything else that may - or may not - be agreed about Brexit, I really can't see the EU settling for anything where the ECJ is not the final arbiter. With there being a great danger that if the UK tries to press the issue, the EU27 - as one - baldly state that they don't trust the UK government to stick to the law. At which point they can cite any number of (mainly Home Office) actions which the courts have found unlawful and/or illegal. There's also the track record of UK governments rushing to parliament to retrospectively legalise unlawful behaviour to avoid statutory compensation.

Still catching up with you all, but this

Rolling back on leaving would bring up some very extreme and scary characters.

sounds just like the new 'project fear'. And to be quite frank, the hardship that follows any post-Brexit economic meltdown would be equally as likely to cause riots and social unrest.

lurking love the bus pic

Dutch president Mark Rutte in papers today saying how much he hates Brexit 'from every angle'. Asked if like EU president Donald Tusk, he dreamt of turning back the clock on Brexit, Rutte said: ‘We all share that dream’.

HURRY EVERYONE AND SEND OFF FOR YOUR FREE DAILY EXPRESS BREXIT CALENDAR

'send off your voucher today to shake off the gloom and feel good about the next chapter of our history'

It's so shameful. She is essentially asking both British and EU citizens to accept less because she has already acknowledged the EU provides more.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/22/tory-order-crumbling-grenfell-neoliberalism-labour

This is interesting (albeit Owen Jones) on the collapse of neoliberalism and the 30 years sea change in politics.

The Telegraph still thinks the German car industry will force the EU to give the UK a Free Trade Deal

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/06/22/europe-waking-impact-hard-brexit/

They've been delighted by a report from Deloitte's German branch and seem to think this will be a shock to Germany / the DU

They seem unaware that Germany - the public, not just manufacturers - have been aware of Brexit consequences for some time, unlike in the UK
The EU negotiators have been fully aware of this from the start.

The EU leaders and also manufacturers, just rate keeping the Singke Marlet strong as far more important for the economies of the EU.
They've stated this often enough.
The UK seems still to be listening only to the occasional news that they think fits their Brexit narrative

Public opinion polls across the EU show around ⅔ of the public don't want the UK to get a deal that breaks any of the 4 Freedoms.

I expect there will be an FTA post-Brexit.
It's just that FTAs typically take 5-10 years to negotiate.

So, at best, this would be done during a long transition period under basically the same terms as we have now in the EU, just minus voting rights.

At worst, the UK would be negotiating an FTA while its economy is collapsing

Violence by angry Brexiters ?

If the Tory govt is really basing on policy on appeasing whom they consider the most violent,
then they would be far more worried about Irish Republican reaction
to any deal that slows down inter-Irish trade and damages the RoI or NI Catholics.

The IRA learned in the 1990s that they only need bomb a few high-profile buildings in the CIty financial center, even giving warnings to avoid casualties and ANY govt will be brought firmly to heel.
Unlike the "lone wolf" losers, the IRA are a highly efficient and effective terrorist organization, with access to huge US funds for weapons. Every single Republican splinter group knows how to create far more havoc than any lone wolf.

The prospect of trying to retain the big financial institutions after a hard Brexit, in the middle of a City bombing campaign must terrify them.

As must the memory of the Tory politicians assassinated and all the near misses.
They can't even console themselves they'd win the subsequent by-elections on a wave of sympathy: they didn't after Tory MP Ian Gow (Mrs Thatcher's associate) was murdered.

More regarding the point Red posted above:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-citizens-rights-uk-referendum-theresa-may-blocked-plans-home-secretary-george-osborne-a7804461.html

George is coming along nicely isn't he. As his closet fan, I have (under many different user names, although never more than one at a time ) often spoken of my hopes that he could be the one to bring May to her knees. He has a lil bit of hatred and desire for personal revenge that others lack, certainly appears to have learnt some lessons in humility since exiting Westminster (still working on that), and let's not forget he was always strangely friendly across all parties in spite of his anti-social policies. It will be interesting to see how much dirty laundry he airs in public. Hopefully loads.

Also, the conservative governments in the 1980s faced down riots, strikes and carried blindly on anyway because they believed not doing so would destroy the economy .

Why is this government throwing the economy off a cliff to avoid having to appease potential rioters who've so far shown no signs of anything other than angry letters to the Daily Mail*

Not including the EDL who shouldn't be appeased ever.

I think I will be able to out run the leavers mobility scooters and sticks as they mass behind Farage on his clapped out stallion of doom. So I'm not worried at all about violence from them.

As others have said much more concerned about the economy under Brexit and the potential of riots due to that

I have a feeling people just won't take hardship anymore when they see the rich have got richer. The young have little access to housing no jobs due life crumbling infrastructure. They want change. Positive change

Brexit needs to die so we can save them

I'm also enjoying the spectacle of George Osborne poking a wounded Theresa May with a pointed stick but in one sense he made a significant contribution to the mess we're in. He allowed justifiably austerity to be hijacked by ideological austerity and gleefully pushed it along for far too long leading to the grim mood we saw a year ago.

People heard "there is no alternative" for year after year and one day were given the chance to show Osborne and co what the alternative was. Not surprisingly they took it.

Yes nauticant. But in my head, that's temporarily forgivable cos he's so useful in fulfilling my own political objectives. And it feels good

I know what you mean about it feeling good. Every now I then I hear of another attack from the Standard and have a genuine LOL moment.

"I don't remotely blame the folk of Wakefield for being pissed off that their city has been run down and apparently forgotten. But I really wish the presenter had asked them why they thought the EU was to blame for that and what they thought leaving was going to do for them." from BatSegundo

^ This, so much this Does the BBC not have journalists any more? Or are just they only allowed to be mouthpieces of the Establishment and not ask awkward obvious questions any more?

And don't get me started on "The grace period could start at any point up to the date of Brexit and would allow EU citizens time to regularise their status." (my bold)

I really can't imagine that we'll be 'flooded' with EU immigrants over the next couple of years. I think it is more likely that EU nationals will choose to work elsewhere because of the weak pound. Plus, most Europeans haven't got any real confidence in our economy going forward.

I also don't believe that there would be riots if we stopped this madness now. As I posted elsewhere, I haven't met any leavers who'd vote the same way now. However, if the massive wealth divide continues, there will be riots Brexit or no Brexit.

Jennifer Rankin‏*@JenniferMerode*
Tusk on May's offer: My first impression is that the UK’s offer is below our expectations...risks worsening the situation of citizens

I believe that's a teacher going:

"Now go home and actually THINK about the problem properly. Then come back to me and we'll discuss the matter"