Westminstenders: The Negotiations Continue - The DUP ones

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Tomorrow is the Queen’s Speech. In honour of that the start of this thread is written in its honour:

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Immigration is bad. Except for that good immigration.
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Brexit means Brexit
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Pilot scheme.
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Money for –the DUP-- NI
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Brexit means Brexit
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The Internet is Bad. Newspapers are good.
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Brexit means Brexit.
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Britain wave your flag.
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(The Queen’s turns over the page to read the back of the A4 sheet, only to find it blank)

(Telegraph paywall) Boris Johnson is taking a big gamble by pulling back from the Conservative leadership race

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/22/boris-johnson-taking-big-gamble-pulling-back-conservative-leadership/

Prince Harry says no member of the royal family really wants to be king or queen,
but the same can never be said of the Conservative Party.

Unlike the monarchy, the line of Tory succession is crowded and disorderly.
There are at least a dozen MPs who have their eyes on the Tory crown,
some of whom are right now contemplating regicide
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Boris Johnson, whose unruliness must make him the Conservatives’ Prince Hal, has said he will not stand for leader until after Brexit is completed in March 2019.
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In the wake of the election result Johnson had been flooded with messages from MPs pledging their support if he wanted to challenge for the leadership.
< shows how many wingnuts are in the Tory party >

His latest comments suggest he has reached some sort of deal with David Davis,

whom many MPs want to take over as a caretaker leader if the Prime Minister finds herself unable to carry on.

It was convenient, of course, for Johnson – a former journalist – to create a story of his leadership plans out of his interview with Channel 4 News
because this partially eclipsed coverage of his faltering performance earlier in the day on Radio 4’s PM programme,
during which he struggled to explain what was in the Queen’s Speech and at one point was heard to be rifling through his notes as he sighed “hang on a second”.

Philip Hammond remains the most dangerous Cabinet threat to May
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Over the past week, by giving interviews in which he lamented the failure of the Tory election campaign to focus on the economy,

the Chancellor made clear both his intention to stand for leader when the time comes

and to put the PM on notice that she must be more conciliatory and let Cabinet ministers speak their minds.

Now that Hammond has marked May’s card,
now that some pressure has been released from the party’s valves,
he has backed her to stay in Downing Street for the time being.

Hammond said on BBC Breakfast on Thursday morning that she would still be PM by the end of the year.

Thoughts of another Conservative leadership contest this summer,
at a time of uncertainty over Brexit, concern over terrorism and the need for the government to get to grips with safety in hundreds of tower blocks across the country after the Grenfell fire,

< i.e. wait until the public forgets who keeps cutting safety regs and the fire brigade >

are receding from the collective mind of Tory MPs.

Graham Brady, the chairman of the 1922 committee, has collected 10 letters from MPs declaring they have no confidence in May,

but there is some way to go before that number reaches 48, the threshold needed to trigger a leadership challenge.

If May does step aside before the end of the year,
Johnson’s decision to delay his ambitions and the lack of appetite for a contest
now make Davis the next in line to the Conservative throne.

< or maybe a DD vs Hammond contest >

It is another question entirely whether Davis, who has long cherished becoming Tory king,
would regard himself as a mere caretaker
who would abdicate in March 2019 to make way for Johnson.

5 years. It's the same for non EU citizens now. Hardly a fucking deal is is

As I said, I can't see it being acceptable. And the EU will back that up with a much better offer.

I'll expand my definition of bellend: Anyone who thinks negotiating with 27 other united countries will see us coming out on top.

The EU is demanding that E27 citizens resident in the UK (to be decided on what date) retain their current rights under EU law, all to be protected under the ECJ.

The same of course for UK citizens resident in the E27

May is offering less than this, with no right of appeal to the ECJ

If DD becomes caretaker PM, who will negotiate Brexit?

I'd also suggest they didnt just suggest current policies for non EU citizens. Which they bend to their will now.

Bellend is far too kind LH We need to invent a new vernacular for these cretins

EU citizens who have been living in the uk for 5 years can also get their British citizenship and then get equal rights than British citizens AND the right to vote and kick TM out

That's quite different from any eu citizens who has been living in the uk legally when the cit off point arrives (not comments about how lpongbtheyve bee there) will enoynthe same rights than British citizens AND have ECJ (which British citizens wouldnt have if things go as they had planned originally)

Britain Elects‏*@britainelects* 2m
On who would make best Prime Minister:

J. Corbyn: 35% (+3)
T. May: 34% (-9)

(via @YouGov / 21 - 22 Jun)
Chgs. w/ 07 Jun

Corbyn ahead for the first time....

Would have loved to see the tumble weed when that deal of the century was suggested. Which course of dinner were they on. Hope it was desert

Sam Coates Times‏*@SamCoatesTimes*

For comparison: When Theresa May called the election in mid April, 54 per cent wanted Mrs May to be PM and 15 per cent wanted Mr Corbyn.

@britainelects Jun 18
Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 44%
CON: 41%
LDEM: 6%
UKIP: 2%

Red They are all ready singing 'oh Jeremy Corbyn' to the white stripes in Glastonbury

Amber Rudd accepts police too stretched in wake of terror attacks

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/22/amber-rudd-accepts-police-too-stretched-in-wake-of-terror-attacks

Rudd has told MPs that police resources “have been pulled very tightly” as they try to tackle “a new phase” in the terror threat, but has ordered a rapid review of the handling of the recent attacks
“before rushing in with additional money”
She was responding to a question from former Labour police spokesman Jack Dromey, who
"had pressed Rudd over a leaked letter from Britain’s four most senior police officers expressing concerns that the three-month emergency plan they have put in place was not sustainable and was diverting officers from child abuse and serious and organised crime inquiries."

The 4 senior officers included the Metropolitan police commissioner, Cressida Dick, and the head of counter-terrorism, Mark Rowley.

Note: C Dick has said publically that the police have sufficient resources to cope with terrorism and Tories keep quoting that, including on MN.
The "leaked" letter is her real opinion to the Home Sec

There are no more successful shakers of the magic money tree than Northern Ireland’s politicians.

https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/06/18/up-to-a-billion-victims-compensation-and-irish-border-talks-from-tomorrow-leaks-on-the-dup-deal/

Figures released by the Office for National Statistics last month showed that while Scotland consumed £2,824 more in public expenditure per capita than it raised in taxes
— a source of irritation to the English —
the average inhabitant of Northern Ireland consumed £5,437 more public money than they paid in taxes.
< and the DUP want another £1,100 per head >

There has been a payment from London to Ulster of about £10bn in each of the past three years,
slightly more than the UK as a whole has been paying — net — to the EU.

This latest Tory election scandal reminded me of the story about dodgy 'market research' calls pre-referendum:

www.channel4.com/news/by/michael-crick/blogs/referendum-pushpolling-influence-result

Placemarking

Help, I can't keep up. I'm still trying to finish off the old thread and you lot have already posted over 600 posts on this thread

Quick impression from the BBC's 10pm news:

• May really is an automaton, incapable of thinking on the hoof. Laura Kuensburg asks her about her mandate going into the negotiations and the Maybot launches into a pre-prepared answer on how pleased she is to make a constructive start. It was so obviously what she was going to say no matter what the question

• The comments from the various European leaders were both funny and serious - and not unexpected. Their priority is their future without us and we are a laughing stock for taking so long to go backwards.

• How relaxed and happy Merkel looked, in contrast to a grey looking May.

• The 5 year residence proposal seems to be so generous not Is the only "benefit" being offered is slightly less paperwork than ILR, which can be applied for after 5 years anyway?

"Computational propaganda" and it's influence on the Trump and Brexit victory a major threat to democracy a Oxford University study finds www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/brexit-twitter-bots-pro-leave-eu-referendum-result-oxford-university-study-a7800786.html

an Oxford University study finds

Boris Johnson knows he's toxic at the moment. He's messed up too many times recently and skeletons are currently falling out of the cupboard over his time as mayor.

Standing for leadership now would probably lead to a one and for all defeat. Even if everything turned to roses instead, he'd be inheriting the Brexit disaster and we saw how he responded to winning that a year ago. He ran away and hid.

He is cowardly, devious, and wholly unscrupulous. What a loathsome character.

QT's going feral

A former UK negotiator at the EU:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/06/former-eu-negotiator-uks-chance-good-brexit-deal-looks-slim

"The UK government has acted as if the EU27 countries are yet to discover the internet, and don't have access to UK news.

The EU27, though, knows the UK has backed itself into a corner on so many issues that its positions are fundamentally incompatible with the positive outcomes it has said it will get.

The EU27 knows that this government will now find it politically impossible to go back with a big exit bill, or accept freedom of movement, or European Court of Justice jurisdiction over anything, no matter what it gets in return."
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"I can therefore only conclude that this government’s plan is to walk out of negotiations, which will, of course, be a catastrophe for the UK.

And all for want of a little humility, trust, honesty, organisation and understanding.
But the government just couldn’t help itself, could it?
The negotiators had to be bloody difficult."

Boris is devious and totally immoral, but has a good sense of self-preservation and a very good brain when he bothers to switch it on.

The look of horror on his face after the referendum was because he knew immediately what a cluster-fuck Brexit will be, whoever does it
He doesn't want to become leader until Brexit is over - and not then if that means dealing with a crashed economy and a furious public.

As we've learned from Cameron,
Bullingdon Boys wreck the joint, then run away, leaving others to clear up their damage

Victory for Israeli women, led by Renee Rabinowitz, an 82-year-old Holocaust survivor, who successfully sued El-Al.
The strongest of sisters

From now on in Israel,
flight stewards can no longer request female passengers move seats to accommodate ultra-orthodox men who do not want to sit next to them.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/22/israeli-airline-cant-make-women-move-seats-for-religious-reasons-court-rules

Radio 4: 2 leading fire safety assess just one tower block Ferrier Point in Newham, east London.

"Lock it up. Make it safe. Get out now, today"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p056nw0f

"Ferrier and Grenfell Tower have eerie similarities.
The two buildings were both built in the 1970s.
They both have 23 floors.
And Ferrier Point was covered in cladding similar to that used on Grenfell Tower, by the same contractors, Rydon Ltd, as part of a regeneration scheme."

That's the way I'm reading it too, Bigchoc. The EU have put forth a superior deal. Basically nothing changes re rights of EU citizens already in UK and UK citizens already in the EU27 by Brexit. Now May has come forth with an inferior offering and calling it 'generous'.

There will be another problem here. If things don't remain the same, it will lead to mixed agreements. If the status quo changes, it may be regarded as a national competency as each country would have to review their legislation, so it would have to go to each country to agree to it. Little Wallonia will may exercise it's democracy again. Simon Coveney, Irish Foreign Affairs Minister, has said he won't sign anything off if the GFA is not upheld. I think it is a shot across the bows about how the Con's are carrying on with the DUP's and the possible jeopardising of the hard won peace.

I thought the EU parliament agreed on a maximum 3 year transitional deal.

skwawkbox.org/2017/06/22/breaking-ireland-will-block-brexit-deal-if-maydup-deal-goes-ahead/