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Westminstenders: The Negotiations Continue - The DUP ones

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RedToothBrush · 20/06/2017 17:57

Tomorrow is the Queen’s Speech. In honour of that the start of this thread is written in its honour:

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Immigration is bad. Except for that good immigration.
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Brexit means Brexit
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Pilot scheme.
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Money for –the DUP-- NI
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Brexit means Brexit
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The Internet is Bad. Newspapers are good.
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Brexit means Brexit.
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Britain wave your flag.
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(The Queen’s turns over the page to read the back of the A4 sheet, only to find it blank)

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woman12345 · 22/06/2017 20:06

The Conservative Party contracted a secretive call centre during the election campaign which may have broken data protection and election laws, a Channel 4 News investigation has found.

The investigation has uncovered what appear to be underhand and potentially unlawful practices at the centre, in calls made on behalf of the Conservative Party. These allegations include:

● Paid canvassing on behalf of Conservative election candidates – banned under election law.

● Political cold calling to prohibited numbers

● Misleading calls claiming to be from an ‘independent market research company’ which does not apparently exist

Tonight the Conservative Party admitted it had commissioned Blue Telecoms to carry out ‘market research and direct marketing calls’ during the campaign, and insisted the calls were legal.

A Conservative spokesman said: ‘Political parties of all colours pay for market research and direct marketing calls. All the scripts supplied by the party for these calls are compliant with data protection and information law.’

But a whistleblower at the call centre told Channel 4 News they had been making potentially unlawful phone calls to voters.

However, no such company is registered in England and Wales. ’Axe Research’ does not have a live website, address or phone number and is not listed on the data protection register.

Workers were repeatedly told not to disclose that they were working for Blue Telecoms.

Asked what Axe Research was, one supervisor told Channel 4 News: ‘It’s just the name we do these surveys under, basically. I did a Google search, nothing comes up. But as far as anyone’s concerned, yeah, we’re a legit independent market research company.’

The practice appears to be in breach of data protection rules on transparency and privacy. Guidance from the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) states that market research companies must disclose ‘who you are; what you are going to do with their information and who it will be shared with.’

A spokesperson for the ICO said they intend to ask the Conservative Party ‘about the marketing campaigns conducted from this call centre’ and told Channel 4 News:

‘The Information Commissioner reminded campaigners from political parties of their obligations around direct marketing at the beginning of the election campaign. Where we find they haven’t followed the law we will act.’

Anya Proops QC, a leading barrister in the field of data protection said:

‘If you’ve got a situation where the company that’s calling you is concealing their true identity or is misleading the person who is receiving the call, then that is obviously a problem under the privacy legislation.’

The head of Blue Telecoms, Sascha Lopez, said that any questions about Axe Research should be put to the Conservative Party.

However, the Party refused to comment directly on the calls being made by Axe Research but said: ‘No data from the market research calls were recorded against individual records.’

Unlawful marketing calls?

During the investigation, callers were also tasked with making direct calls ‘on behalf of Theresa May and the Conservative Party’.

Voters who identified themselves as ‘undecided’ were then fed key Conservative Party messages. These included references to the Brexit negotiations, the danger of a hung Parliament and immigration. One survey stated:

‘… It was reported in the Daily Mirror in September last year that Jeremy Corbyn is not concerned about the numbers of people coming to live in the UK and it was reported on Sky News this year that Theresa May has restated her pledge to reduce net Migration.

‘Just thinking about these reports in the media and the reports that you live in a marginal constituency that may determine who is prime minister… Does that make you more likely to back Theresa May or more likely to vote for Jeremy Corbyn?’

A Channel 4 News analysis also reveals that the vast majority of calls sampled were to numbers registered on the Telephone Preference Service (TPS).

While genuine market research is permitted, marketing calls to TPS numbers on behalf of political parties are prohibited by EU regulations and the Data Protection Act, unless the person called has specifically given the organisation their consent.

Channel 4 News showed the content of these calls to Dr Darren Lilleker, Associate Professor of Political Communication at Bournemouth University.

‘This is canvassing,’ he said. ‘It can’t be research. All the questions are loaded, a lot of them are quite rhetorical in that sense of guiding you towards one answer. It’s canvassing. It replicates the sorts of scripts I’ve seen used on doorsteps by parties for many years.’

The head of Blue Telecoms, Sascha Lopez, said: ‘All scripts supplied made it clear during the call, either at the beginning or the end, that the calls were being made on behalf of the Conservative Party. Respondents have the right for their responses to be deleted if they so wished. No data from the market research calls to TPS numbers (which regulations allow) were recorded against individual records.

‘We followed the regulations given by the TPS, ICO and Ofcom in regards to indentifying who was calling, the reason for calling, as well as operating an opt-out list.’

Paid canvassing for candidates?

During election day, on the 8th of June, callers at Blue Telecoms were told that they would spend the day making calls on behalf of named Conservative parliamentary candidates in Wales.

Guidance from the Electoral Commission for candidates and agents says: ‘During the campaign, you must not…pay canvassers. Canvassing means trying to persuade an elector to vote for or against a particular candidate or party’

www.channel4.com/news/revealed-inside-the-secretive-tory-election-call-centre

MsHooliesCardigan · 22/06/2017 20:10

Just to remind everyone it's the anniversary of the referendum tomorrow. I don't know if Farage is still trying to get it declared as Independence Day Hmm

woman12345 · 22/06/2017 20:23

Seems longer than a year Mrs Hoolies I've got alternative suggestions to Independence day.

Did you see Tusk:

^Donald Tusk channels John Lennon, imagines there’s no Brexit
‘You may say I’m a dreamer,’ said the European Council president, ‘but I’m not the only one^’
www.politico.eu/article/brexit-europe-donald-tusk-channels-john-lennon-imagines-theres-no-brexit/

sorry for long post^
Tories must have been desperate for Wales .........looks like they were up to different but similar tricks again, allegedly.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/06/2017 20:27

amp.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jun/22/farms-hit-by-labour-shortage-as-migrant-workers-shun-racist-uk

Farms have been hit with a shortage of the migrant workers that Britain relies on to bring in the fruit and vegetable harvests, according to a series of new reports.

There was a 17% shortfall in May, leaving some farms critically short of pickers, according to a new National Farmers Union (NFU) survey. The decline is blamed on Brexit, with the vote to depart the EU leaving the UK seen as “xenophobic” and “racist” by overseas workers, according to the director of a major agricultural recruitment company.

The UK requires about 80,000 seasonal workers to pick the vegetable and fruit harvest and virtually all come from eastern Europe. Just 14 of the 13,400 workers recruited between January and May this year were British, the NFU survey found. Three-quarters of the workers came from Bulgaria and Romania, and almost all the rest from other eastern European countries.

“Farmers and growers need to know how the government will deal with the need from industries that rely on seasonal workers,” said Ali Capper, chair of the NFU horticulture board. “The NFU is calling for reassurance that farmers will be able to source a reliable and competent workforce both now and in the future. Without that, this trend is likely to continue and will hit hard.”

A previous seasonal agricultural workers scheme was scrapped by Theresa May when she was home secretary, after Bulgaria and Romania joined the EU. Farmers have been calling for a new scheme since the Brexit vote.

But in March, the immigration minister, Robert Goodwill, told MPs: “We do not believe there is sufficient evidence to justify a seasonal agricultural workers’ scheme in 2017.” The NFU’s concerns about food rotting in the fields due to a lack of workers were “a little bit of a scare story”, he said.

A government spokesperson said: “We are determined to get the best deal for the UK in our negotiations to leave the EU, not least for our world-leading food and farming industry, which is a key part of our nation’s economic success.”

Hardman said people who thought the shortage of farm labour could be filled by UK workers were “delusional”. He said: “There is no appetite in the UK labour pool for seasonal agricultural work.” The hospitality industry was more attractive for temporary work and unemployment is low in key areas, like Kent, he said.

Hardman said he understood why the government has not committed to a new migrant worker scheme: “Firstly, it’s political suicide and secondly they are working on hard historical data. Eighteen months ago we did not have an issue, but the tide of shortages is on its way.”

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 22/06/2017 20:31

And what a year it has been!

sodablackcurrant · 22/06/2017 20:44

We are totally fucked.

No one seems to care though. Oh wait, it's Ascot week. Sorry, the dresses and her Maj's hat are so very important to everyone. Forgot that bit.

And then there will be Parliament recess until October. So that when normal service resumes we will have all forgotten about it. Yes.

whatwouldrondo · 22/06/2017 20:51

Woman I and a lot of people I know had calls like that prior to the last election, the questions mainly concerned immigration and David Cameron as a Leader, the two thrusts of the campaign, and were massively loaded and definitely not what you would expect from a professional Market Research Company. I only continued to answer so I could express my contempt. The fact that nobody was getting them this time was part of my reason for thinking that May was abandoning the Tory Candidate / sitting MP.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/06/2017 20:53

Thanks for the C4 link, woman
I'm astonished at the sheer gall of the Tory Party, once again breaking election rules.
That wasn't an oversight: it was carefully planned to break the rules but avoid detection.

I'm astonished that they are now a bunch of cheats.
What on earth has happened to the Tory Party ? They didn't used to cheat at elections
Someone at Tory Central Office must be directing this

PinkPeppers · 22/06/2017 20:55

So it seems that EU citizens will be allowed to stay permanently!
[[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/22/brexit-deal-3-million-eu-citizens-allowed-stay-uk-permanently/]]

A relief in some ways but Im now really wondering what the 'list of EU citizens' the UK wants to put together is for .....

woman12345 · 22/06/2017 21:03

Here's the link:
www.channel4.com/news/revealed-inside-the-secretive-tory-election-call-centre

Wales was the prize? At the start of the campaign the shock was the tories taking seats there, and then when news came of the big swing back, the election campaign seemed to change gear.

The most worrying allegation is that of actually using paid campaigners on election day to persuade voters to vote for particular candidates. illegal if it is found to be true, although there's footage of it happening on the film.

A lovely feisty 87 year old lady was harassed/ encouraged to vote for the tory candidate. I wonder how many less assertive voters would have reacted to the high pressure techniques.

I'm astonished that they are now a bunch of cheats
Quite, bigchoc.

Interesting whatwouldrondo, so sounds like this may have been going on in 2015 too?

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2017 21:04

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/secretive-tory-call-centre-may-10671355
Secretive Tory call centre 'may have breached electoral law' ahead of 2017 general election
An undercover investigation claims a call centre made cold marketing calls on behalf of the Tories - and they may have broken data protection and election law

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woman12345 · 22/06/2017 21:07

@faisalislam
Also crucially the 85 page Permanent Residence form - reported on by Sky News - scrapped replaced with "light touch" digital process

whatsapp stock check.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 22/06/2017 21:10

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that the current crop of Tories are not fit for government. There is no sense of being public servants, working for the good of the country etc and now there is this further revelation of electoral fraud!

I'm struggling to see a time when I could, in good conscience, vote for them...

BigChocFrenzy · 22/06/2017 21:18

They are now a party of spivs, which I find even more shocking than their total incompetence at governing.
I'm not looking back with rose-tinted specs; they genuinely were quite different

Horrifying that the party of Churchill, SuperMac, Douglas-Hume, even Heath could fall so low
I think a combination of the major culture capitalists, Murdoch, Dacre and the US alt-right have infected and ruined them

BigChocFrenzy · 22/06/2017 21:18

Douglas-Home

BigChocFrenzy · 22/06/2017 21:19

Vulture capitalists < gimme a break, ipad >

PinkPeppers · 22/06/2017 21:26

woman If they scrap the 85 pages document, I might have a chance to fill it!! (Still trying to do so 5 months on...)

BigChocFrenzy · 22/06/2017 21:36

(telegraph paywall) Theresa May now stands before a horrifying constitutional minefield

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/22/theresa-may-now-stands-horrifying-constitutional-minefield/

  1. Scotland "....hapless Mrs May, who confirmed in the Commons on Wednesday that a “legislative consent motion” may have to be passed by Holyrood MSPs to allow EU legislation to be repealed across the UK.

In the Scottish Parliament, the process of passing “legislative consent motions”, allowing the UK parliament to legislate on devolved matters, is known as the Sewell Convention

The Prime Minister will prefer MSPs to play ball, but if they don’t, she will – numbers permitting – override the will of Holyrood, as the law, the constitution and even the Supreme Court allows her to do.

And she will almost certainly get her way in the end.
But the price to be paid by her personally and by her party could be a heavy one."

  1. HoL The Telegraph reports that the legitimacy of the Salisbury Convention – which obliges the Upper House to approve policies contained in a winning party’s election manifesto – “is set to spark a major constitutional row between legal experts.”

< because Labour and the Liberal Democrats threaten* to use the House of Lords to water down Brexit*>

"The Lords may cut up a bit rough, given the opportunity to enhance its reputation as the true opposition to this government.
But ultimately they are only too well aware of the second fiddle their chamber plays to the Commons and too conscious of their unelected status.

Provided the government whips can cobble together majorities of even one on crucial votes, their Lordships will be reluctant to put up too much of a fight."
< maybe the HoL will fight hard Brexit by a minority govt >

sodablackcurrant · 22/06/2017 21:39

Does one have to apply for membership to this Clique or what?

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2017 21:44

And then there will be Parliament recess until October. So that when normal service resumes we will have all forgotten about it. Yes.

Soda given these thread have been going for a year, I don't think people will have forgotten by October...

Yes we are fucked. But we carry talking about how fucked we are.

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everthibkyouvebeenconned · 22/06/2017 21:44

KKK aka K Hopcunts on Ian Hislop BBC2. This shows the rabid side of Leavers. Disgusting sewer rat

LurkingHusband · 22/06/2017 21:48

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40376083

flippinada · 22/06/2017 21:49

Placemarking. I see there is a lot to catch up on.

Quick thought... is it just me, or is this DUP deal looking less and less likely by the day?

LurkingHusband · 22/06/2017 21:49

EU citizens who have lived in the UK for five years could get equal rights to UK nationals for good, under proposals unveiled by PM Theresa May.
A new "settled EU" immigration status would grant them rights to stay in the UK and access health, education and other benefits after Brexit.
But Theresa May said proposals would be adopted only if the same rights were granted to UK citizens in EU states.

(contd)

I suspect the EU will offer a lot more to UK citizens in the EU - and expect it in return.

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 22/06/2017 21:51

5 years. It's the same for non EU citizens now. Hardly a fucking deal is is

www.gov.uk/becoming-a-british-citizen