Westminstenders: The Negotiations Continue - The DUP ones

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Tomorrow is the Queen’s Speech. In honour of that the start of this thread is written in its honour:

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Immigration is bad. Except for that good immigration.
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Brexit means Brexit
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Pilot scheme.
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Money for –the DUP-- NI
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Brexit means Brexit
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The Internet is Bad. Newspapers are good.
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Brexit means Brexit.
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Britain wave your flag.
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(The Queen’s turns over the page to read the back of the A4 sheet, only to find it blank)

When a frustrating case of dealing with the consequences of other's actions whilst they ironically are literally unable to reap what they have sown?

could've been pithier but I've been defeated by the heat

European Union President Donald Tusk held out hope that Britain will reverse Brexit as U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May prepared to meet with the region’s leaders for the first time since her election call backfired.

The European Union was built on dreams that seemed impossible to achieve,” Tusk said on Thursday ahead of the two-day meeting in Brussels. “So, who knows? You may say I’m a dreamer, but I am not the only one."

The past 12 months have shown there are fundamental problems with this country, problems that would need all sides coming together for a few years and thinking about some bold and relevant action. Imagine if the next 4+ years of futile Brexit effort, to get a deal that's as close as possible to what we have now while being distinctly worse and economically damaging, could be put into solving these structural problems instead. We could be looking at something like the Post-War Consensus.

Exactly, nauticant. That's been one of my principal objections to Brexit: we have too many other issues to tackle, almost none of which will be solved by Brexit.

Andrew Plebgate Mitchell was interviewed by Victoria Derbyshire in a van (was this a series she did? I didn't see the rest of it) before the election. AM has 3 houses and didn't know what the NMW wage was. Returned a sizeable majority from what I remember.

"The European Union was built on dreams that seemed impossible to achieve,” Tusk said

OUCH

Who says foreigners have no sense of humour.

I wonder how well Theresa wows Brussels with pithy epithets en Francais ...

My local mp is a Tory chinless wonder
Multiple houses
Dodgy tax deals
The usual
The last one had a secret family iirc...

Ha, this seems appropriate:

I think the one good thing that has peeked it's tiny light out of Brexit the election and Grenfell is that the scales are falling from our eyes

I hate constant referencing of the elite as it's often by the elite or their serfs. But we have an opportunity to halt the pompous arrogant people running our country

That's not just the Tory party...looking at you Blair...but within our industries council's public services etc. We need people regardless of background rich or poor who are serving us. All of us not just themselves.

So many people, as I do, feel nothing but contempt for Boris et al as they have shown nothing but contempt for us.

Our progression over the last few decades was clearly just a veneer. That's why Brexit happened. That's why grenfell happened. That's why exposing Boris and his chums for the arrogant manipilators they are is happening. Now it is slowly taking traction. They can't hide from the mess they have created

The current climate around the Tories brings to mind the end of John Major's government. Everything they did seemed to be done cack-handedly or with the most cynical motivations and the population at large had just had enough. They just didn't seem credible.

Poor doors in luxury London developments have been in the news for years www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jul/25/poor-doors-segregation-london-flats

I also read somewhere that developers don't do it in developments in northern cities because it would be a marketing negative amongst buyers who are keener on community values and not so obsessed with status, though I have to say that there are some communities in the North who could give anywhere a run for their money in terms of snobbery and status consciousness, but probably not in the big cities.

I have driven past the Kensington Row development as it has gone up and each time think that, as with many big, and I do mean big, developments going up around London, the Paddington basin is another, that they are going to be very soulless places to live. More so especially as Sadiq has still not addressed the fact that a high proportion of luxury flats go to overseas buyers who rarely if ever live in them. A lot of the buyers are Chinese who actually believe that anything second hand is devalued in status and value and would never live in their investment, or rent it out. According to the SCMP Asian buyers are keener than ever to invest in London property because with the effects of Brexit and the fall in the value of the pound it is seen as a bargain basement sale. For similar reasons they would see a poor door as a plus.

For similar reasons of status I mean

Exactly, nauticant. That's been one of my principal objections to Brexit: we have too many other issues to tackle, almost none of which will be solved by Brexit.

Almost none?

What are the few that will be solved by Brexit? I'm stuck on thinking of one.

nauticant I cannot think of any government I have lived under that could match this one for incompetence and self interest. At least there were more politicians of the Major / Clarke / and indeed Cable vintage who had integrity and a sense of public duty.

Actually, having had a very noisy party next door yesterday (that mercifully finished before 10pm), the idea of living somewhere with neighbouring flats being left empty is rather attractive.

What are the few that will be solved by Brexit? I'm stuck on thinking of one. if you were a hedge fund manager or shyster businessman lacking integrity I am sure you could manage quote a few, you know regulation, taxation, the Law....

When you think about it there is an awful lot of dirt out there about Boris. Affairs, racism, sexism, bullying management style, blatant lies, dodgy deals, vanity projects. He's quite Trumpesque really

And he been elected how many times? To how many positions. How has he got away with it?

Mark Thomas ran a touring show a couple of years ago, called "Trespass".

The thrust of it was to point out that if you look very carefully at a lot of redevelopments (I give you Brindleyplace, in Brum), they are actually private property.

The upshot of this, is that it's not possible to congregate in them for demonstrations, or anything which the landowners don't like.

And reading Private Eye (passim) would tell you that the landowners are generally foreign companies.

Private land can - of course - be policed by a private police force.

What ? You didn't realise G4S was gearing up to be the alt-police ? You need to get your head out of your arse the Daily Mail.

I struggle to go along with that whatwouldrondo. Of late, we've definitely seen some of the Tory politicians of that era emerge as rational and apparently humane human beings but collectively at the time they were incompetent and nasty.

Ahh, it's just came to mind what was really wrong with Major's government. By the end they were giving the impression that they should be the government not because they were convinced they were doing a good job or that they even wanted to be the government, but because that was the natural order of things.

The party finished before 10pm???

Lightweights

But also, who parties on a Wednesday night?

But also, who parties on a Wednesday night?

Students party on Wednesday afternoon and then through the evening and into the night. But I do approve of them being lightweights (and possibly also being considerate).

“So, who knows? You may say I’m a dreamer, but I am not the only one."

...and then everyone held hands and broke into a rousing rendition of Imagine

if you were a hedge fund manager or shyster businessman lacking integrity I am sure you could manage quote a few, you know regulation, taxation, the Law...

The thing is, if you are a hedge fund manager, and you believed that, then there aren't enough words to describe what a massive bellend you are.

Not being in the EU might mean the UK can internally ignore whatever laws the EU impose. However, the moment you wish to do business with or in the EU, they will all reappear on your list.

There is no way the EU is ever going to allow a regulation lite UK to undermine or undercut it's own regulations.

Almost a year after I highlighted GDPR to some Leave enthusiasts, it seems to be dawning on them that post March 2019, we can't just bin it, as they confidently told me last year. Now it's just their bosses that need convincing. The UK is woefully unprepared for it, and it will cost a lot of people dear.

I've had a friend suggest setting up a GDPR consultancy for people - there's a lot of money at stake ....

I am not sure on the situation nationwide but our Borough allow developers not just to routinely flout the affordable housing requirement because they argue -lie- that it would make the development uneconomic but also to offset it by building it somewhere else in the borough entirely on cheaper land in less attractive areas. Obviously another benefit is that they can market their developments as entirely free of anyone remotely poor, and with shared ownership / social housing schemes, that would include teachers, nurses etc. There is a grotty old office block nearby being barely tarted up to serve that purpose for a big development of luxury houses and flats.

I did think after I posted - Wednesday night is party night for students. Or it was 20 years ago.

Bless them for quitting at 10pm

Lurking There have been a steady stream of bellends parading in the media, often from the Channel Islands.......