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Westminstenders: The Negotiations Continue - The DUP ones

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RedToothBrush · 20/06/2017 17:57

Tomorrow is the Queen’s Speech. In honour of that the start of this thread is written in its honour:

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Immigration is bad. Except for that good immigration.
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Brexit means Brexit
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Pilot scheme.
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Money for –the DUP-- NI
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Brexit means Brexit
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The Internet is Bad. Newspapers are good.
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Brexit means Brexit.
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Britain wave your flag.
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(The Queen’s turns over the page to read the back of the A4 sheet, only to find it blank)

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BiglyBadgers · 22/06/2017 14:30

I agree lurking. The privatisation of public space is a particular pet issue of mine. It is increasing common for areas people think of as public to actually be privately owned. Large chunks of Manchester and Birmingham in particular. The growing numbers of gated communities and privately owned estates are also an issue in my view as again it is creating spaces that are not owned by the community that use and live in them, but by private companies who often have their own security acting as a private police force.

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 22/06/2017 14:33

I realised look like a Boris stalker. But good news! He won't run for leader until after Brexit....

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/21/boris-johnson-will-not-run-leader-march-2019/amp/

nauticant · 22/06/2017 14:35

Apart from feeling I'd suddenly gone deaf, I was delighted when the music and other noise stopped. I was just getting to the point of plucking up courage to head next door "in an hour or so".

So yes, good on them.

MsHooliesCardigan · 22/06/2017 14:43

I have just listened to that Bojo interview. Talk about shambolic. And Corbyn got such a pasting when he couldn't come up with that childcare figure.
It's a total mystery to me how he gets away with the lovable buffoon image and I won't forget that, if he hadn't come out for the Leave side in a ruthless career move, there's a good chance we wouldn't be in this mess.

nauticant · 22/06/2017 14:48

I've had years (more than 10?) of a close friend singing the praises of Boris Johnson and it has grated on me over all of that time.

This has been shared endlessly but this to me shows a little of the real Boris:

nauticant · 22/06/2017 14:48

And that'll just be the tip of the iceberg.

citroenpresse · 22/06/2017 14:49

comewheatmay.com is most amusing

BigChocFrenzy · 22/06/2017 14:54

Brexit: blocking everything else in Parliament

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/opportunity-costs-60pgn5ndg

"....Also missing from the speech were Tory manifesto commitments to legislate on domestic violence and abusive landlords.

Bills on both will be drafted but not voted on, yet more casualties of
an administration without the bandwidth to conduct Brexit and the normal business of government at the same time.

.... the fact that Brexit must come first does not make it less regrettable that so much has been elbowed aside to make room for it."

PattyPenguin · 22/06/2017 15:14

To digress for a minute, it didn't used to be just students that partied on Wednesday nights. In the corner of North West Wales where I once lived, Wednesday evening was (still may be) "nos Sadwrn bach" - little Saturday night.

I always reckoned it dated from the era of weekly pay and being paid on Thursday, so the blokes used to spend what was left of last week's money down the pub on a Wednesday night.

But at universities Wednesday afternoon generally has no lectures, unless things have changed radically. In theory it's to give students time for sports. So in my day the sporty ones would run around getting sweaty, the geeks would go to the library and get on with essays, and the likes of me would find somewhere to drink (even in the days of pubs closing between lunch and evening).

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 22/06/2017 15:15

Slight aside because one DC has just left for Glastonbury. Corbyn is appearing on the main pyramid stage this weekend

100k people chanting 'Oh Jeremy Corbyn ' on a programme broadcast world wide is sure to set feathers rustling!

LurkingHusband · 22/06/2017 15:16

Brexit: blocking everything else in Parliament

Another "project fear" prediction coming true.

I wonder if it's actually a Brexiteer secret weapon. If Brexit drags on beyond this parliament, then the next parliament will be dragooned into completing it ?

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2017 15:16

Lurking I live on an estate built in 2006 and completed 2 years later. None of the roads are adopted by the council. We pay a fee to a management company instead. Its technically not public land.

My house was built to fulfil the social housing requirements of the development. We bought it through shared ownership.

For us, it was useful and we have since bought out the property. We could not have got on the property ladder easily in the area otherwise.

In the end DH's salary went up significantly as he changed jobs. Otherwise we would not have been able to buy the other half. Bizarrely we got caught in a situation where our mortgage and coupled with social rent rises was coming in HIGHER than if we were full ownership.

But despite this we really struggled to get a mortgage because we couldn't get enough equity together as we got caught out by the rules changing meaning that you needed at least 15% equity for most mortgage lenders. We weren't eligible for a first time buyers mortgage which only required 10% equity because although this is still our first house, we weren't classed as first time buyers. The most frustrating thing about this, was the value of the house had gone DOWN not up - and this had meant the equity we had put in, was gone. We had over paid our mortgage and had originally put down 10% equity but this had gone. Our experience was that shared ownership was a real curse in a market where prices go down. Its a trap, because you can't legally rent out your property (as this would be sub-letting), and you might not be able to afford to sell it either.

This is leading to some issues regarding subletting. I know that our previous neighbours who was also on shared ownership wanted to rent out their house after their relationship collapsed not realising they were unable to do this. They eventually sold up, and the new neighbour moved out. She, at one point, did sublet as she moved in with her boyfriend and was unable to sell.

We eventually did find someone who would lend us the money to buy out the other half of our house. They were shocked at our figures and circumstances. Even then they couldn't offer us all their mortgage products because as it was a shared ownership buy out, we were not eligible for some of them. On top of this, this meant our legal fees were higher as it was a more complex process (and thank god we went with a more expensive solicitor with a good reputation to sort out that mess).

Whilst we were still under the housing association (which is separate from the estate management company) they were a nightmare to deal with. Our rent kept going up. We know other people on the estate who have struggled as it was going up so much. One of the problems though, is we don't know who is part of the social housing scheme and who was purely privately owned which made finding out if others were having similar problems, impossible to know.

When we did buy out the house we spent some time trying to make sure the housing association were doing things on their side, with much difficulty. We even asked them explicitly to check they had removed us from their rental list and were told we were. And lo and behold we got a rental demand for our own house after we had purchased the second half.

Shared ownership worked for us. But like I say its caused real issues for others we know - and from what I hear our scheme is one of the better ones from the time (it was one of the early one, so I don't know how it has changed). I have heard some real horror stories.

We still have a management company to deal with. They didn't charge us for two years then sent everyone on the estate nasty letters demanding immediate payment. They randomly then gave us rebates. They are anonymous and we don't really know anything about them. This fee includes fees for road maintenance and lighting - so this is on top of our normal council tax obligations of course. I don't mind paying it hugely as the estate is nice and well maintained but I'm not sure I would be happy if the estate had problems. And I'm not sure I would be happy if I was a tenant of the low rise flats here, who pay substantially more.

My point is that these schemes are big business - even shared ownership. Its very much privatising things others take for granted. We can not switch to gas / electric suppliers outside the big six because of the nature of our estate. (I don't understand why this is - DH went through the process of trying to do it, but we were unable to for some reason).

I think affordable homes and shared ownership really do have a place, but my experience - as limited as it is compared to some - is that its full of pitfalls most people don't have any clue at all about and are completely unaware of. These scheme are fraught with small print and legal problems you don't know when you walk into them even with good legal advice. I can't help but worry about how some are exploiting it. The industry is crying out for better regulation.

As I say it has worked for us (despite our problems), and I love where we live and houses sell well, but its also at the back of my mind that we would be wise to move in the next few years as I think issues with the leasehold / management company are going to crop up in a few years.

I have been talking to our local councillor about the issues as he is a social housing advocate and wants more locally and wanted to know the ins and outs. He has been frustrated by developers building here who have shirked their social housing quota by doing a deal so they don't have to build it on the expense estates and instead can build it on cheaper sites elsewhere in the borough. Obviously this rather is adding to the economic divide between rich and poor which is completely at odds with its purpose. But people round here come out in a rash at the idea of 'social housing' - my councillor is an pains to call it 'affordable housing' instead so they don't through their toys out of their BMWs.

Anyway, that was a bit of an epic, but I think also quite relevant to current politics too.

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RedToothBrush · 22/06/2017 15:25

blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/value-for-money-over-value-for-people-in-social-housing/
Value for money over value for people: how material politics can perpetuate inequality

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RedToothBrush · 22/06/2017 15:28

Faisal Islam‏*@faisalislam*

Farage replies to Adam on the idea of No Deal Brexit not now an option: "politically now looks v v difficult". Gone away? "Probably has"

Peter Apps‏*@PeteApps*

Huge, breaking: Camden says fire proof cladding commissioned but NON-fire proof was fitted, tests show

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PattyPenguin · 22/06/2017 15:40

A bit more re. Camden on the BBC

"Camden Council, in north London, confirmed that cladding used on its Chalcots estate would be removed after safety tests.

The cladding was made up of "aluminium panels with a polyethylene core", said council leader Georgia Gould, and therefore were "not to the standard" that the council had commissioned.

She said the council would inform the contractor behind the work that they would be taking legal advice."

Even if she's correct, and the commissioning paperwork was thorough, having someone go and check the cladding when it was being fitted might have been better, no?

Stable doors, horses.

The trouble with public sector procurement, in my experience, is that it's almost always a paper exercise. Very rarely does anyone check that the winning tenderer is doing what they said they would, to the standard they promised.

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2017 15:45

www.buzzfeed.com/saraspary/private-tower-block-owners-wont-be-forced-to-test-for?utm_term=.irrBbqgNd#.nd78D92Z0
Private Tower Block Owners Won't Be Forced To Test For Flammable Cladding
Councils and social housing landlords are testing hundreds of buildings for flammable cladding, but for private landlords that testing will be "voluntary".

This is worrying. Absolutely not acceptable. It ties in with what I said about shared ownership to a degree. You can be social housing but not social housing.

Or if you are renting / own privately you are at the mercy of these faceless owners of the freehold.

DH was saying how a place in Manchester is about to be knocked down to make way for student accommodation which is over 30 stories in height. Again another group very much at the mercy of the build owners.

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RedToothBrush · 22/06/2017 15:46

blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/06/22/first-bargaining-chips-now-stocktaking-the-plan-to-register-eu-citizens/
First bargaining chips, now stocktaking: the plan to register EU citizens

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RedToothBrush · 22/06/2017 15:52

Department of Health loses over a quarter of staff in just three months, IfG finds

The Department of Health lost over a quarter of its workforce in the first three months of the year as part of a staff cuts programme, an analysis of the latest Whitehall workforce data by the Institute for Government has found.

The think tank saidthe ministry lost 460 full time equivalent staff over the three months to March, which amounts to 26% of its total workforce.

Nothing to see here... move along...

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whatwouldrondo · 22/06/2017 16:07

Red My DD has already commented that when she visited friends in student tower blocks in Manchester and Leeds she did not feel safe, cramped into a small room above the 20th floor, everything looks cheap and badly built. She spent a significant part of her childhood in a tower block where she happily played on her friend's 34th floor roof garden that her mother could not even walk out on to so she would only feel that way if it felt wrong as opposed to just high. The two student tower blocks in Leeds (25 and 29 stories) commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tower_blocks_in_Leeds.jpg were built because the number of students was skewing the rental market at the lower end and they certainly look like the cheapest possible public housing, one of them has 400 rooms.

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2017 16:08

Question Time tonight from Plymouth (SNP???!!):

David Liddington - CON Justice Secretary
Jon Ashworth - LAB Shadow Health
Ian Blackford - SNP Westminster Leader
Gina Miller - Saviour of British Democracy
Peter Oborne - Fail Columnist and Spectator Associate Editor

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LurkingHusband · 22/06/2017 16:11

Question Time tonight from Plymouth (SNP???!!):

No UKIP ? Smile

Mrsmartell08 · 22/06/2017 16:12

Where's UKIP!? 🤣

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2017 16:16

norman smith‏*@BBCNormanS*

Understand @normanlamb not standing for @libdem leadership cos of party's stance on Brexit.

I think that leaves Ed Davey to possibly stand or its odds on for a Cable coronation.

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illegitimateMortificadospawn · 22/06/2017 16:17

Actually, having had a very noisy party next door yesterday (that mercifully finished before 10pm), the idea of living somewhere with neighbouring flats being left empty is rather attractive.

Until you are 80 and break your hip falling and no one can hear you calling for help....

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2017 16:19

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/22/lib-dems-next-leader-hard-brexit-inequality?CMP=twt_gu
Why I won’t be the Lib Dems’ next leader
Norman Lamb

A very fair position given his circumstances.

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