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Westminstenders: The Negotiations Continue - The DUP ones

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RedToothBrush · 20/06/2017 17:57

Tomorrow is the Queen’s Speech. In honour of that the start of this thread is written in its honour:

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Immigration is bad. Except for that good immigration.
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Brexit means Brexit
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Pilot scheme.
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Money for –the DUP-- NI
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Brexit means Brexit
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The Internet is Bad. Newspapers are good.
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Brexit means Brexit.
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Britain wave your flag.
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(The Queen’s turns over the page to read the back of the A4 sheet, only to find it blank)

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BiglyBadgers · 22/06/2017 09:06

Will every day start now with a new put down from the DUP?

Daily Ulster Pisstake

BigChocFrenzy · 22/06/2017 09:09

This London survey, back in March, showed the Boris charm has worn off there:

http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulusuploads/document/5vzlbpfrb4/QueenMaryResultsLondonMarch20172W.pdff_

"Do you think that Boris Johnson is doing well or badly as Foreign Secretary ?"
Well 27%, Badly 41%

He switched to the Leave campaign because he thought it would make him PM.
Instead, looks like it ruined his chances.

btw, "Do you think that Sadiq Khan is doing well or badly as London Mayor ?"
Well 58%, Badly 23%

BigChocFrenzy · 22/06/2017 09:11

Best wishes, sos Flowers

BigChocFrenzy · 22/06/2017 09:16

Surprisingly accurate prediction of how Theresa May would perform as PM:

7 July 2016, by Yvette Cooper:

"So what would a Tory government led by May be like?

Don’t believe the hype about a safe pair of hands or uniting the country

– there are huge risks for Britain ahead that her politics won’t solve.
Indeed, division will grow.
And she certainly isn’t too tough to defeat when the general election comes.

And she hides when things go wrong.

No interviews, no quotes, nothing to reassure people or to remind people she even exists.

It’s helped her survive as home secretary
– but if you are prime minister, eventually the buck has to stop."

ElenaGreco123 · 22/06/2017 09:18

Yvette, I miss you.

Bigly Smile

BigChocFrenzy · 22/06/2017 09:18

If a Labour opponent could predict that, it's surprising that Tory MPs, who should know her better, has such bad judgement

  • except of course, she was just the last person standing, after the blood stopped flowing
PinkPeppers · 22/06/2017 09:18

Sos get well soon Flowers

Both articles make my blood boil Red.
Both because of the content and because yes these are nowhere near 'news' to me.
I wish people would open their eyes to the world around them and that there was much more of those articles around (so that alarm bells are actually raised)

nauticant · 22/06/2017 09:21

Philip Hammond concedes Brexit transition period could be 4 years: "When you buy a house you don't move all your stuff in on the first day."

As has been pointed out elsewhere, it depends on how many houses you have.

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2017 09:25

Nauticant I am frequently amused by when journalists interview Kippers and right leaning Tories and ask them about the number of houses they own. It always seems to be more than one.

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RedToothBrush · 22/06/2017 09:28

Sam Coates Times @ samcoatestimes
The Daily Mail here disowns Mail Online in its leader column. We must have reached peak insecure over in Dacre towers

The MailOnline is nothing to do with the Mail. Says Dacre.

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RedToothBrush · 22/06/2017 09:33

Simon Cox @ simonfrcox
Most Leavers think their reasons for Brexit have widespread support. ( @CambridgeNewsUK yesterday)

Well that just shows that propaganda designed to empower voters into placing their own beliefs into the void if their being no clear plan of what leaving meant works.

I said this before the ref last year.

People were duped and face a choice of going yeah you conned me or going hard Brexit? Er yes that's what I meant all a long, honest.

Pride and prejudice win.

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nauticant · 22/06/2017 09:36

I guess it's part of becoming rich and powerful. It's easy to become convinced that laws and regulations need to be a pick 'n' mix. So anything that protects what you've got needs to be strengthened and anything that makes you accountable needs to be weakened.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/06/2017 09:40

The spin that Brexit papers usuallyput on news is amazing

Here the Telegraph sees as a victory ....
that the E27 are all competing so eagerly for 2 valuable agencies that May has lost for the UK .
Thousands of highly paid jobs, high tech, prestige

Individual countries have always competed their hardest when so much is up for grabs.
They'll be "fighting" for all the thousands of other jobs leaving the City of London, British manufacturing too
Those really aren't "victories" for the UK Confused

"Brussels negotiators fear that the “champagne corks will be popping” in London as a battle over who gets European Union agencies based in Britain threatens to crack Europe’s unity at the start of Brexit negotiations" Grin

https://behindthepaywallblog.wordpress.com/2017/06/22/battle-over-european-agencies-threatens-to-disrupt-eu-unity/

"Theresa May faces a humiliating summit dinner in Brussels tonight when she must explain to the EU leaders how her disastrous election result will not damage Brexit talks.

Her humiliation will be softened, however, by the knowledge that after she makes her “presentation” during after-dinner coffee and biscuits, the EU’s 27 other leaders are preparing for a long night of fighting over the first test of their unity since last year’s Brexit vote. Grin

Tonight the race is on to host two prestigious agencies that will leave London before Britain exits the EU in a contest involving slick video promotions and plans for a knock-out vote this autumn.

It will not be easy and the EU leaders are deeply divided on the rules of how to run what will be an acrimonious contest for the European Medicines Agency (EMA) and European Banking Authority (EBA), both currently based at Canary Wharf in east London"

nauticant · 22/06/2017 09:43

Most Leavers think their reasons for Brexit have widespread support.

That doesn't apply to the fruit farmer being interviewed this morning on Today on Radio 4. He voted Leave because "sovereignty" and was complaining bitterly that it looked like his business might be severely adversely affected. I wish I could have found it funny but instead I was swearing inwardly to myself thinking "Why the "" do you think the rest of us were saying "Whoa! I'm not voting for a leap into the unknown promoted by a campaign of lies and anti-immigration!"?" Stupid, stupid, stupid man.

PattyPenguin · 22/06/2017 09:49

So EU countries may squabble a bit about who picks up the agencies the UK is losing.

I don't doubt there'll be some pushing and shoving over which countries get the factories making cars and aeroplane bits that the UK will also likely lose (see e.g. Honda and Airbus).

It really won't matter to the UK, because we'll be the losers.

Stupid papers.

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 22/06/2017 09:57

Where I am 20% of fruit and vegetables farmers don't have enough pickers

I think it's time the leavers stood up to be counted and got picking! Here are your jobs lads....the ones you didn't want in the first placeHmm

nauticant · 22/06/2017 10:02

The only engagement I've seen from Leavers on this, beyond "poor me", is to complain about "layabouts". In other words, "we must find someone else to blame, and then throw abuse in their direction".

BigChocFrenzy · 22/06/2017 10:02

(Times paywall) Davis’s capitulation is only the start as No 10’s Brexit fantasy unravels

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/daviss-capitulation-is-only-the-start-as-no-10s-brexit-fantasy-unravels-wlc2w60zq

No one should have been surprised that the Brexit talks began this week with an immediate capitulation by the government over the question of sequencing.

The Brexit minister David Davis’s boast that the European Union’s refusal to discuss a trade deal until sufficient progress had been made on settling the UK’s outstanding budget obligations and securing the rights of EU and British citizens would be “the fight of the summer” Grin
was always empty bravado, given that the UK needs a deal far more than the EU.
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One fantasy that refuses to die is the notion that the EU might somehow be persuaded to water down the principle of free movement of citizens,
thereby allowing the UK to restrict EU migration while retaining membership of the union’s single market.
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For sure, there is anxiety over immigration in many EU countries — but this anxiety largely relates to migration from outside the EU.
It is also true that some countries would like to reform the rules around access to welfare.

But no other country shares the UK’s neuralgia about the principle of the free movement of people,
which is broadly accepted as the price that must be paid for the free movement of jobs.

When the single market in financial services was created in the 1990s,
tens of thousands of jobs migrated to London from Paris, Milan and Frankfurt, in turn creating hundreds of thousands of new jobs in other sectors.
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Britain today is host to millions of European jobs in all industries and all parts of the country.

Why would any EU government agree to a deal that allowed the UK to retain European jobs while restricting them to British workers?
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the price of a transitional deal is almost certain to be continued adherence to all EU obligations overseen by the ECJ.
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EU officials are adamant that it isn’t practically possible to negotiate a divorce deal and new trade deal in 20 months:*

even if the UK capitulated to all the EU’s demands,*
it would be likely to take a year to complete the detailed technical work on the withdrawal agreement and transitional arrangements, which would then need to be ratified,
EU officials say

Nor is it legally possible:
the EU is not allowed to negotiate a free-trade agreement with an existing member
and the EU’s negotiating team would need a detailed negotiating mandate from member states before trade talks could start.

This point was made repeatedly to Mrs May by Sir Ivan Rogers, the former UK ambassador to the EU,
who was frozen out by Downing Street for his efforts < we don't want facts or experts ! >

Yet it suits the British government to continue to insist that both the divorce deal and new trade deal can be agreed in less than two years.

One reason is that it allows Mr Davis to present his capitulation over sequencing as merely a tactical retreat,
on the basis that “nothing is agreed until everything is agreed”.

More importantly, it delays the moment when politicians must face up to the real choice:

whether to make the ultimate capitulation
pay the Brexit bill in return for a transition deal with no guarantees on future trade
or take the British economy over the cliff.

everthibkyouvebeenconned · 22/06/2017 10:08

This is getting serious now. House prices plummeting the pound devaluing. Economy tanking. And this is just the start

DH who is remainers but an optimist is finally getting worried

Peregrina · 22/06/2017 10:10

The MailOnline is nothing to do with the Mail. Says Dacre.

I confess, I had no idea they were separate entities. I knew the Daily Mail and Sunday Mail are separate and seemingly at war with each other.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/06/2017 10:15

It's the "says Dacre" bit that gives away it might not be entirely accurate.

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PattyPenguin · 22/06/2017 10:15

What happens if Daily Mail readers also get the Mail on Sunday? When they read the MoS, what does it do to their heads?

I'd love to know.

Peregrina · 22/06/2017 10:20

I think it's time the leavers stood up to be counted and got picking! Here are your jobs lads....the ones you didn't want in the first place

Quite, and the excuse from fruit farmers, that this is an area of low unemployment, and the unemployed are elsewhere, doesn't really stand up when people have been prepared to come from Bulgaria and Romania. Go and have a recruitment drive in the North and West. Oh, and you might need to pay decent wages too. If you voted Leave, this is what you voted for, so get on with it.

PattyPenguin · 22/06/2017 10:24

Peregrina not only might they need to pay decent wages, they might well need to provide accommodation - it's not easy finding cheap short-term digs.

Mrsmartell08 · 22/06/2017 10:28

My heart fucking bleeds
Leaver knuckle draggers
Grrrrr

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