Westminstenders: The Negotiations Continue - The DUP ones

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Tomorrow is the Queen’s Speech. In honour of that the start of this thread is written in its honour:

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Immigration is bad. Except for that good immigration.
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Brexit means Brexit
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Pilot scheme.
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Money for –the DUP-- NI
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Brexit means Brexit
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The Internet is Bad. Newspapers are good.
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Brexit means Brexit.
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Britain wave your flag.
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(The Queen’s turns over the page to read the back of the A4 sheet, only to find it blank)

This government really does seem to be dreadfully wounded. I'm not sure that they have much choice but to limp on as long as they can though.

Just wondering, if hypothetically the UK ended up at the point where they wanted to stay and need the 27 to agree....I assume Ireland would need to vote (as we do on all major EU things) .....could see that causing problems if the negotiations have had a neg effect on Ireland in the mean time....

Anything could happen wrt Brexit, including inintended consequences due to arsing around and / or incompetence

Many politicians are leaving options open, if you look closely:

Speaking ahead of the speech, May said:

"The election result was not the one I hoped for,"

and the final deal would need to be one that "commands maximum public support,"
as well as one that is acceptable to "Parliament, business, [and] the devolved administrations."

< that could suggest an eventual U-turn, or it's just her daily unicorn >

""The election result was not the one I hoped for," and the final deal would need to be one that "commands maximum public support,"
as well as one that is acceptable to "Parliament, business, [and] the devolved administrations."

Reading this bigchoc I had a brief moment of hope, namely that the final deal will be put to the public.

Remain in EU

Remain in Single Market

Leave cliff edge / WTO style

Re the Queen's "EU" hat for her speech and yellow dress for Ascot. Is she trying to tell us that if she'd had a vote she'd have voted for the Liberal Democrats?

RoI, above all other countries, would leap at the chance of the UK Remaining
They might be pissed if the border regions are damaged even before Brexit, but they know Brexit itself could be disastrous for both trade and peace in the island of Ireland.

Also, their irritation could be softened because they look like nicking some good jobs from the City of London and elsewhere, which would almost certainly stay even if Brexit is cancelled.

I'd urge anyone who missed it to listen to Boris Johnson being interviewed on PM by Eddie Mair:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08tvjfq (starting from 25:50)

The last time Boris Johnson was pulled to pieces like this was when Eddie Mair interviewed him on Newsnight. It is both an excruciating and magnificent listen.

wrt 2nd referendum:

I don't see how there is time if it's voting on a deal (to cross red lines),
because a referendum can't be organised with less notice than a GE and we won't have any deal to vote on before it's too late to continue negotiating.

Also, given volatility of UK electorate, Barnier and the E27 may not wish to bother with a deal that the Uk public may reject - they would require the govt to take responsibility

What is possible, is a ref sometime before October 2018 on this:

"we have failed to get a deal in time. Do you wish to Remain in the EU for xx years, or to leave now without a deal"

I'd urge anyone who missed it to listen to Boris Johnson being interviewed on PM by Eddie Mair

I turned on the radio half way through. Total shambles from Boris Johnson - I'll have to have another listen.

nauticant bit of a pickle, that one, thanks for posting. Well worth a listen. "I appreciate your desire to push me around....":BJ

Imagine if he was a black woman, he'd be vilified.

Dead woman walking...........more like a dead party.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/21/france-wont-scrap-uk-border-controls-calais-britain-must-pay/
France won't scrap UK border controls in Calais but Britain must pay more, says French interior minister

"What is the point of this prime minister?" Eddie Mair 21.6.17
Repeated three times.

" I think people have had enough of elections." is the answer.

Oh, I don't know about that, Boris.

Would imagine Macron not exactly feeling strong and stable after French voting turnout...

By and large people have had enough of elections but it's heading towards a tipping point where they'll feel there's no choice but to have another one as the only way out of this continual chaos.

It's really come to something when omnishambles seems inadequate to describe what's going on.

They broke it, we'll fix it.

Yes, and I suspect if things haven't resolved by the early autumn there will be more of an appetite for one.

Dumb q number 356... When parliament breaks for the summer, does that mean EU negotions will be on hold?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/21/vince-cable-will-not-agree-support-tory-government-like-mating/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw
Vince Cable will not agree to support Tory Government because it is like 'mating with a praying mantis'

No, negotiations aren't that closely tied to the Parliamentary timetable (though the French may take August off, as is typical for many there)

Ah good. I was worried about going too long without something to get indignent about.

When is someone - anyone!! - going to just say;

"Look...this isn't about racism or xenophobia or the EU. It's about the British public suffering nearly a decade of underfunding and austerity under successive collation and Tory govts. The reason the NHS is failing isn't immigration. It's underfunding. The reason teachers are leaving education in droves isn't immigration, it's underfunding. The reason your child can't get help for their MH isn't immigration. It's underfunding. people voted for brexit because they wanted Westminster and the govt to hear their disquiet. A protest vote is all well and good...when the result doesn't matter. Believing lies on buses is all well and good...where is the anger towards those who peddled those lies?
Time to admit that the EU ref was only called to placate the swivel eyed loons on the Tory right and in his hubris DC thought it would silence them forever.
But As TM has also found, the British public dont like being used as pawns in inter party squabbling or to bolster political ego.
I truly believe that there is only a tiny minority of racists and xenophobes who voted leave.
I believe the majority were either fed up and didn't vote at all, or used their vote to protest at austerity. Which is caused by the govt, not the EU."

When will someone say that??

Macron looks quite strong and stable.
Any UK party would sell their granny to be in his position:

His new party went from a tiny handful of seats to a landslide 350 seats, 49.1%
The right Alliance is the main opposition, but only 137 seats
Socialists plummet to only 29 seats - not much opposition there
The National Front get only a pathetic 8 seats

• they are in chaos as they discuss abandoning Frexit and a new leader

Turnout low, mostly voter fatigue after so much campaigning and the Presidential Elections, plus National Front voters too demoralised and confused to vote.

Germany, whether Merkel or Schulz becomes Chancellor, plans to work even more closely with France, to boost their economy
So, up to Macron now to produce the goods. He has been given the power

Whisper it, but there is a strong majority in Parliament for a Brexit transitional deal

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/21/whisper-strong-majority-parliament-brexit-transitional-deal/

"...despite appearances, there is a growing consensus on Brexit and if the Government can survive, it should be able to broker a compromise that can get through Parliament.

The compromise involves negotiating a transitional arrangement, like several years’ membership of the European Economic Area,
that gives Britain and the EU extra time to strike a long-term trade deal.

This wouldn’t deliver any Brexit priorities instantly, like immigration controls or an end to massive EU budget payments.

But so long as it’s temporary, this approach would deliver Brexit over time while avoiding the economic shock of a chaotic exit without a deal.

Most importantly for the Government, it stands a good chance of getting through Parliament"

The question is whether the hard right would go for that BigChoc.

They have been saying that they would bring the government down rather than agree to that.

To my mind that's gamesmanship, because I don't think they'd dare bring it down because that increases the chances of not leaving at all.

What they are worried about, is a temporary arrangement would allow a way back in.

How big is the hard right though?

And why are they constantly trying to appease them?

I know ukip cost them votes but were they really that much of a threat?

Hard anything is never a good idea - surely history teaches us that much.

That's what I want to know.Is there a list of the hard right MPs?

Its placating the hard right that allegedly made Cameron call the bloody referendum and perhaps similar difficulties behind the snap election, but how many MPs are we actually talking about?