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Westministenders: The bookends to a year of political chaos. Just how far have we come?

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RedToothBrush · 16/06/2017 18:50

The 15th June 2016.

The Thames was filled with a flotilla of boats in a publicity stunt for the Leave campaign to draw attention to fisheries. Nigel Farage and Kate Hoey in their heads thought they were Leonardo and Kate, but the moment was rather more titanic in nature and could not have been more Alan Partridge if they had tried. Coming up behind was Bob Gedolf in a shameful and cringeworthy display of swearing and abuse that really didn’t help the Remain camp in anyway. Largely unnoticed was a small boat with a family following it all unfold…

The next day things went from fiasco to horror.

Farage unveiled the Dog Whistle Poster and Jo Cox was murdered. And the UK seemed set on its course for 7 days later when the world was turned upside down by the referendum itself.

14th June 2017.

Fast forward 365 days later and another tragedy unfolded. This time of a very different nature but with no less political significance.
Grenfell.

A moment of national shame. A symbol of so many things that had come to pass in the previous twelve months.

The election just the previous week had changed the direction of travel we seemed to be headed and left the Prime Minister exposed and looking wildly out of touch. The Maybot was given one more chance.

And the Maybot seems to be failing the test of her party who had the grace to grant her a second chance.

The Queen dressed in the same shade of blue, May delivered her ‘victory speech’ in, ignored the security threat and visited the ranks of the poor and the forgotten. A deliberate message to May not to forget who she serves? A Queen who feels aggrieved and angry by May’s behaviour? Who knows.

As for Brexit. The government looks lost. Adrift. The ‘Fight of the Summer’ over the EU’s plan for talks sounds out the window despite the denials from the Brexit Department. Hard Brexit is still on the cards. Apparently. But what does anyone believe now? May’s and the Brexiteers domination of the agenda is shattered, its power starting to be questioned.

What next?

This evening the anger is building.

Who knows, what will happen. Some of it might be predictable, but the future is far from certain and we have definitely entered a new era. We just don’t know who will lead it, or what its ambition or what the end goal now is.

What we do know, more acutely than ever is that we are all human and the wise words of Jo Cox about having ‘More in Common’ ring though ever more strongly.

Once again we feel ‘on the brink’.

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NancyWake · 20/06/2017 16:25

I see Foster is denying all knowledge of the letter sent to Scottish gov on same sex marriage.

RedToothBrush · 20/06/2017 16:28

Roger Mullin‏ @RogMull
Barclays and 4 ex-staff charged with fraud by Serious Fraud Office. Tory manifesto called for abolition of SFO
Tories cannot possibly include abolition of SFO in #QueensSpeech Can they? Look out for it @IanBlackfordMP @neilgraysnp @joannaccherry

This is a fine point...

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Sostenueto · 20/06/2017 16:31

Do I need to change bank accounts?Wink

RedToothBrush · 20/06/2017 16:32

The whole story about the Qatar connection is quite something given the recent cutting of diplomatic ties with Saudi Arabia and others:

www.independent.co.uk/voices/qatar-barclays-bank-controversy-recession-bankers-canary-wharf-shard-heathrow-problem-a7799261.html
Qatar owns Canary Wharf, the Shard, Harrods and Heathrow. But Barclays is its real British problem now

All this means that a lot of dirty laundry is set to be aired. Some of it might well be Qatari laundry. The tiny, oil rich emirate has bigger problems than a trial focusing on its investment in Barclays to deal with at the moment, what with the embargo imposed upon it by its neighbours.

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woman12345 · 20/06/2017 16:32

Is he going to don an Ulster Resistance paramilitary beret

Cailleach1 I have a feeling that what seemed like a very cunning plan to unite alt right funding, 'white supremacist fascists still in existence in South Africa, and the usual suspects in the loyalist movement, with the alt rights of the conservative/ ukip party, three or four years ago, is now bearing fruit as this current gruesome alliance.

There will, I think be marches every Saturday outside parliament and hopefully cross party votes against them in the HOC until it is ended. Challenging the violent sectarianism, racism, the homophobia and the gruesome sexism of the the DUP.

Then men like Mark Harper, Steve Baker and the CRC bunch are going to look like right chumps, alongside the con/ukips.

LurkingHusband · 20/06/2017 16:33

Interesting references to WW2 here. Interesting in that they seem to be entirely assembled from (British) Bank Holiday Movies, and 1960s Eagle Annuals. Probably all Farage watches and reads.

For those that do want to hark back to WW2 as some sort of apogee of Empire, I would suggest studying other participants narratives of how things went. They're not quite so Anglo-centric, and paint things very differently.

An equally compelling narrative is that he UKs only role in WW2 was to slow the Axis powers, and give the US enough time to arm up. As with WW1, the entry of the US made the outcome of the war a foregone conclusion. It was just a matter of when.

Anyone who suggests the UK could have won WW2 without the US, is smoking something I would really like to try.

Even Churchill had no confidence the UK would prevail. Which is why he shipped all of the UKs industrial and military secrets to the US, for fear they would fall to the Nazis. The US were overjoyed, as it gave them a few years jump on the nuclear research which resulted in the Manhattan project.

And the Nazis were defeated by an alliance of countries, not the UK marching to it's own beat.

RedToothBrush · 20/06/2017 16:34

woman12345, its a good book, but there are better read in the same field. Its very much of its time and is hard going at times. Its regarded as a classic and if you do read other mountaineering books you can understand why it was an inspiration to others.

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PattyPenguin · 20/06/2017 16:34

I swear to you, Red, I Googled French + mountaineer + books, and the first entry that came up was the Wikipedia article on that Annapurna book. And I Googled from my phone, so that the history on the 'puter wouldn't skew the results.

Sostenueto · 20/06/2017 16:35

Could it be that Tories making sure a good deal impossible purposely? They know they will be toast soon.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 20/06/2017 16:37

There is no good deal sos.

I don't really know what good deal you were expecting Farage, Davis, Boris and gove were going to be leading us to.

LurkingHusband · 20/06/2017 16:38

PattyPenguin

If lots of people have been Googling the same subject, it's auto-suggest will reflect that ....

RedToothBrush · 20/06/2017 16:38

BTW, the Nazis used mountaineering as part of their propaganda. In particular the ascent of the North Face of the Eiger and Heinrich Harrer.

This is why I say, the use of that book is not a mere google by an minion. It has historic political significance. Conquering Everest was very much a political event, with the announcement being kept a secret so it could be made public on the day of the Queen's Coronation.

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RedToothBrush · 20/06/2017 16:44

Sky turnover decision due 29th June. Isn't that the day of the vote of Queen's Speech?

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RedToothBrush · 20/06/2017 16:44

takeover even.

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woman12345 · 20/06/2017 16:48

There appear to be problems in the discussions between the Tories and the Democratic Unionists over the Ulster party’s 10 MPs supporting a minority Conservative government. As Henry McDonald reports, senior DUP sources have told the Guardian this afternoon that the negotiations “haven’t proceeded the way we would have expected.” They added that the DUP “can’t be taken for granted” in ongoing discussions withe the Conservatives
ha ha.

RedToothBrush · 20/06/2017 16:53

Patty, even if that is the case then its worrying!

It then just reflects the sloppy preparation and lack of knowledge of the minion's department!

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PattyPenguin · 20/06/2017 16:55

Well, yes, quite, Red, but then we suspected as much, didn't we?

woman12345 · 20/06/2017 16:56

Alice in Wonderland might have been a better choice. Or the Gruffalo?

RedToothBrush · 20/06/2017 16:56

Adam Bienkov‏*@AdamBienkov*

Sky News' Northern Ireland correspondent describes Theresa May's apparently botched deal with the DUP as "a quite extraordinary debacle".
Sky News says DUP have "been surprised at the [low] level of negotiating experience" in May's government. That bodes well.

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LurkingHusband · 20/06/2017 17:05

I suspect the DUP will have to "sell" their failure to extract anything out of a fatally wounded Tory party to their own, so they have an incentive to portray the Tories as incompetent.

I'd like to think that the Tories ruthless crewing over of the LibDems 2010-2015 is now causing them enormous problems, as they look high and low for someone to help them. It would be bigly Karmic.

RedToothBrush · 20/06/2017 17:05

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/house-of-cards-predicted-grenfell-tower-tragedy-london-fire-bbc-theresa-may-a7798761.html
Grenfell Tower: House of Cards fans say BBC series 'predicted' tragedy 25 years ago
The episode focused on a tower blockblaze which killed 72

Watch the 6 minute clip in full.

Just watch it...

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RedToothBrush · 20/06/2017 17:10

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/finsbury-park-attack-darren-osborne-van-own-son-tank-hire-comments-reports-a7799371.html
Finsbury Park attack: 'It’s a shame they couldn't hire a tank', son of van owner reportedly says
South Wales police are reportedly investigating the comments

You can pick up a second hand tank by using google. Perhaps I shouldn't say stuff like this though

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HashiAsLarry · 20/06/2017 17:12

been surprised at the [low] level of negotiating experience" in May's government

In another episode of the series: things I never thought I'd say, in fairness to dup they have a lot of negotiating experience.

RedToothBrush · 20/06/2017 17:13

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/06/20/i-ignore-the-comments-and-move-on-one-woman-s-life-as-a-refu
'I ignore the comments and move on': One woman's life as a refugee in the UK

Refugees are special amazing people from the few I've met. They really have a lot to offer to our country.

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woman12345 · 20/06/2017 17:33

Refugees are special amazing people can't disagree with that, I'm using a Mac, thanks Steve's dad. Smile