Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Brexit

Westministenders: The bookends to a year of political chaos. Just how far have we come?

992 replies

RedToothBrush · 16/06/2017 18:50

The 15th June 2016.

The Thames was filled with a flotilla of boats in a publicity stunt for the Leave campaign to draw attention to fisheries. Nigel Farage and Kate Hoey in their heads thought they were Leonardo and Kate, but the moment was rather more titanic in nature and could not have been more Alan Partridge if they had tried. Coming up behind was Bob Gedolf in a shameful and cringeworthy display of swearing and abuse that really didn’t help the Remain camp in anyway. Largely unnoticed was a small boat with a family following it all unfold…

The next day things went from fiasco to horror.

Farage unveiled the Dog Whistle Poster and Jo Cox was murdered. And the UK seemed set on its course for 7 days later when the world was turned upside down by the referendum itself.

14th June 2017.

Fast forward 365 days later and another tragedy unfolded. This time of a very different nature but with no less political significance.
Grenfell.

A moment of national shame. A symbol of so many things that had come to pass in the previous twelve months.

The election just the previous week had changed the direction of travel we seemed to be headed and left the Prime Minister exposed and looking wildly out of touch. The Maybot was given one more chance.

And the Maybot seems to be failing the test of her party who had the grace to grant her a second chance.

The Queen dressed in the same shade of blue, May delivered her ‘victory speech’ in, ignored the security threat and visited the ranks of the poor and the forgotten. A deliberate message to May not to forget who she serves? A Queen who feels aggrieved and angry by May’s behaviour? Who knows.

As for Brexit. The government looks lost. Adrift. The ‘Fight of the Summer’ over the EU’s plan for talks sounds out the window despite the denials from the Brexit Department. Hard Brexit is still on the cards. Apparently. But what does anyone believe now? May’s and the Brexiteers domination of the agenda is shattered, its power starting to be questioned.

What next?

This evening the anger is building.

Who knows, what will happen. Some of it might be predictable, but the future is far from certain and we have definitely entered a new era. We just don’t know who will lead it, or what its ambition or what the end goal now is.

What we do know, more acutely than ever is that we are all human and the wise words of Jo Cox about having ‘More in Common’ ring though ever more strongly.

Once again we feel ‘on the brink’.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
21
citroenpresse · 18/06/2017 18:34

In terms of threats to Tories...."The Grenfell tragedy represents a much more serious challenge than the advance of Jeremy Corbyn."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/18/tories-learned-nothing-compassion-grenfell-tower-response

Artisanjam · 18/06/2017 18:38

Is Ken Clarke Cicero? Trying to keep vestiges of a democracy while everything collapses around him. He probably wouldn't object...

Boris could be Sulla - posh vicious party boy with a private army who seized control of Rome before Julius Caesar (jc🤔).

citroenpresse · 18/06/2017 18:48

Alas no candidate for Trajan, who undertook large building programs and enlarged social welfare. And a spot of empire building.

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 18/06/2017 18:51

Have been thinking of Boris as more like Clodius - rejected his patrician background in order to seek power on a populist platform?

I think Caligula got his nickname because he wore a mini army uniform (including little boots) when his dad was a general on the Rhine.

Artisanjam · 18/06/2017 18:54

Do any of the current Tory MPs have horses who could be made a spad? I think David Cameron would have had access to a horse.

twofingerstoEverything · 18/06/2017 18:55

In case anyone missed it, gov.uk have issued a
message today:

It's a right load of old flannel IMO... "will of the British people", "deep and special partnership", "bold vision" (yes really)...

DividedKingdom · 18/06/2017 18:57

He's a lying fucker and I hope he gets his arse kicked.

citroenpresse · 18/06/2017 19:06

Malcolm McDowell's tunic in the Caligula film appears to be very short indeed.

NancyWake · 18/06/2017 19:06

Coriolanus is very good on the difference between public opinion and truth. It's essentially the first play about spin.

Motheroffourdragons · 18/06/2017 19:07

This reply has been withdrawn

This has been withdrawn by MNHQ on behalf of the poster.

citroenpresse · 18/06/2017 19:11

Boris...fancies himself as Pericles? (i.e. Greeks rather than Romans etc)
www.standpointmag.co.uk/books-october-14-role-model-for-boris-johnson-benjamin-bilski-vincent-azoulay

NancyWake · 18/06/2017 19:14

Went to Notting Hill today to help out a friend who's been working as a volunteer at the tower.

People in the community are adamant there are 160 missing - based on info from police, ambulance and fire service. Press pic left.

I have no way of evaluating the figures nor do I know the reasons for the discrepancy.

Westministenders: The bookends to a year of political chaos. Just how far have we come?
woman12345 · 18/06/2017 19:15

Sad nancywake

MsHooliesCardigan · 18/06/2017 19:20

I asked this on another thread but does anyone know what would happen if TM resigned but nobody put themselves forward as PM? I know it's unlikely but I just don't understand why anyone would want the job right now.

Sostenueto · 18/06/2017 19:22

Sad nancywake. We will never know for sure how many.

Sostenueto · 18/06/2017 19:24

I should think the PM job is so toxic that no one with a brain cell would take it.

DumbledoresApprentice · 18/06/2017 19:25

How can the figures be so different? Surely someone should be talking to the community regularly. Surely if those 160 people are not all missing then their friends and family should be put in touch with them as a priority. If they are indeed missing then why is the official figure so much lower? I feel so angry for these poor people.

Sostenueto · 18/06/2017 19:25

Perhaps May is Claudius, limping along for a number of years.Smile

Sostenueto · 18/06/2017 19:27

I think there might have been repeat calls for the same people missing. So the police trying to sort out missing person lists.

Sostenueto · 18/06/2017 19:30

And as Red said yesterday there is the question as to whether there were illegal immigrants living in some flats, or people that were not the tenants. Think police going on the official list of tenants.

Sostenueto · 18/06/2017 19:34

Now my imogees working (gdd fixed phone) heresFlowersCakeWine for all!

woman12345 · 18/06/2017 19:39

DumbeldoresApprentice on numbers, I believe the men in this attached video.

twitter.com/LowkeyMo_/status/876422279613345792

Peregrina · 18/06/2017 19:40

I'm not convinced about the revised view of Neville Chamberlain. If he bought extra time for the RAF it was only fortuitous. Similarly with May - if anything good comes out of this, it will entirely be by accident. She is just not a strategist. She's the sort of plodding, hard-working person who gets bogged down in detail and doesn't see a bigger picture, IMO.

mybrainhurtsalot · 18/06/2017 19:41

In an article in the Guardian about the missing, they have paragraphs about some of the people and then a more basic graphic with the missing grouped by floor. In at least one case they have a child mentioned in the paragraph who is not listed on the by floor graphic Sad

DumbledoresApprentice · 18/06/2017 19:47

Woman- I don't know who is right but I don't believe those men are lying. They've obviously been led to believe that the death toll is much higher than the official numbers suggest. Sad