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Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit

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RedToothBrush · 09/06/2017 21:03

As the dust begins to settle after the drama of a result no one really thought would happen though many hoped, we start to wonder what else will happen.

Initially it looked like the best possible result. The trouble is May has decided true to form to be a pain in the backside and not know when to quit. Her trade mark management style to crash forward in a straight through obstacles, taking everything that gets in her way in the process, rather than taking the more sensible and less hazardous route. She has had a nasty habit of come hurdling to an abrupt and painful messy end as she hits an inpenatrable brick wall of law or circumstance.

The idea that she can be moderated in any way is ridiculous, especially if Nick and Fiona survive.

We now have a situation with a minority government and a prime minister with a manifesto full of controversial proposals that will largely be consigned to the bin out of fear of defeat. Her ambitions over human rights are not in the manifesto so an embolden House of Lords will just throw it out without fear – because constitutionally the Salisbury convention only applies to majority governments. She has become a lame duck.

The trouble is that this is a parliament that needs to pass measures because of Brexit. May’s ability to deal with the Great Repeal Act in particular is going to be next to impossible. Certainly with the time already wasted.

May’s insistence that nothing has changed and its business as usual merely adds insult to injury and makes the whole situation worse. It sets her up to fail at some point, but that could well be after she has single handedly lead the country to economic and social disaster. Her lack of understanding of this just shows her up as the poor one trick politician without real leadership skills and vision. It marks her arrogance and lack of respect for those who are her bosses.

She could have acknowledged that the election result was a wholesale rejection of her vision for Brexit and reached out to other parties for a consensus over Brexit she decided to go rushing in bed with the hardline right DUP.

We now have a situation where her loose agreement with the DUP to prop up her government could be in breach of the Good Friday Agreement, further risking instability in that part of the union. It is not only fool hardy, its reckless. Not only that, without a formal agreement in the form of a coalition, such support means the she can not rely on the back up of the Salisbury Convention.

This is also done without irony after vilifying Corbyn for his association with terrorists. It shows a total disregard for the colleagues who the DUP regard as an ‘abomination’ for being gay, especially Ruth Davidson who basically saved her political neck. She really is a political prisoner to their whims and demands. This arrangement with the one that John Major avoided even when he struggled with a minority government because of the problems it would cause. Of course, if you were cynical you might well argue that May wants to break the GFA.

The rest of the party will cowardly let her lurch from crisis to crisis because the like the spine to rid themselves of the problem. Political crisis which involve NI are particularly difficult and particularly risky. May risks constitutional crisis there, with the House of Lords, over our WTO status, with Human Rights of EU and British nationals, a possible no confidence vote and with EU negotiations. That’s just the big ones we can forsee now. Yet she sees herself as the champion of stability in this midst of it all with a staggering lack of self-awareness or brazen disregard. Its like how the GOP tolerate Trump for their Christian agenda, the Hard Brexiteers will tolerate May to get Brexit through in any way they can; though this now opens it up to being even more chaotic unless the liberals stand up to the ever increasing suicide of it. The reality is that the chances of her being able to persuade both the liberal and right wings to agree to the same plan is slim.

The chances of the house of cards simply collapsing and us left with another election are huge.

There is hope. More than a landslide would have brought, but this path is fraught with pitfalls, it is difficult to see May doing anything but charging headlong over a cliff and missing the best way out of this mess. David Davis has admitted that there is now no longer a mandate for hard Brexit and we will need to stay in the Single Market and Customs Union and Greg Clark is summoning business to support the course. There are calls from Sarah Wollaston, Heidi Allen and Yvette Cooper for a cross party approach to key issues. This of course is the last thing that the Wing Nuts – and May - will allow willingly.

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BigChocFrenzy · 11/06/2017 00:48

Yes, squoosh how can anyone not know the dates of the 2 World Wars, especially with WW2 a perennial fav for movies - but I found to my horror recently that some don't.

Again neither war was covered in my school history syllabus, which ended at Cardwell's army reforms (I still remember learning 1870 introduction of breech-loading rifle Confused Grin)
All my generation and then those for at least the next 15 years knew this.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/06/2017 00:52

Uk^ PM held hostage by Orange Order / paramilitary marchers^
No, you couldn't make it up. But I wish it was just made up fantasy.

After this, Corbyn will seem quaintly safe in the next GE

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 00:55

I went to university with someone who didn't know whether you put the butter on before or after you toasted it.

Another genuinely didn't know whether penguins were birds or mammals.

The illusion that people 'know stuff' has never been there. I just forget sometimes.

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RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 00:57

David Allen Green‏*@davidallengreen*
He would not do this, of course, but Boris certainly has the chutzpah and lack of principle to do a complete reverse-ferret on Brexit.

There is this thing going for Boris...

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BigChocFrenzy · 11/06/2017 00:59

May had better beware of what the wider world thinks.
The countries with whom she wants trade agreements
Especially the Tories beloved Anglosphere - which always seems to contain a strong Irish diaspora:

In particular, the US takes a close interest every marching season, especially when they encroach into Catholic areas.
Disgust at these triumphalist invasions unites both US parties - the Unionists only have support from the white supremacist nutjobs
Even Trump attended a Sinn Fein fundraiser with Gerry Adams - during an IRA London bombing campaign

squoosh · 11/06/2017 01:33

Standard DUP stuff

twitter.com/ladfleg/status/873490992522985472

BigChocFrenzy · 11/06/2017 01:43

If the Hon. Member for Thanet South is found guilty in his forthcoming court case, there would probably be a byelection.
I wonder if Farage would stand again Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 11/06/2017 01:56

Someone plotted % residents age 45+ vs % Labour vote in constituencies.
Clear trend:

Westminstenders: The Continuing Saga of the Prime Minister Who Didn’t Know When to Quit
mathanxiety · 11/06/2017 03:22

In a way, it may be a really good thing that the British press has left NI to fester away unseen, and that general British public is so ignorant of Northern Ireland.

This way, all the poor press the DUP has earned over the last decade will hit thousands of people straight between the eyes all at once as they google furiously this weekend. The net effect may be a horrified recoil.

Dribs and drabs of half digested news items over the years would have diluted the effect.

FinallyThroughTheRoof · 11/06/2017 03:37

45+ is hardly an "older" voter.

Jeeze.
Hmm

squoosh · 11/06/2017 03:41

Interesting polling in tomorrow's Sunday Times about opinions on potential future Conservative leaders. The only one who gets higher approval than disapproval ratings is the one Tory who isn't currently an MP. Gove and Johnson not held in particularly high esteem...

twitter.com/msmithsonpb/status/873729465616150528

FinallyThroughTheRoof · 11/06/2017 03:47

And she is awful too people in England just don't know her as well

FinallyThroughTheRoof · 11/06/2017 03:58

So arrogant.

Peregrina · 11/06/2017 05:46

For months we have been asking Leavers what they wanted from Brexit (and got no answers beyond 'you lost, suck it up, what don't you understand about democracy')

Now May's Manifesto has given the general public one of the options:

  1. Hard Brexit with strict controls on immigration. The electorate haven't said no, but they have said 'Hey, hang on a minute. Where is the money for the NHS that was part of the Brexit package?'
RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 05:51

My mind goes back to the Andrew Neil interview when he asked her three times about where the £8 billion for the NHS was coming from and she refused to answer.

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RedToothBrush · 11/06/2017 06:33

So Bernie Sanders. Could he have won? Lots of speculation now.

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DorothyL · 11/06/2017 06:53

Morning! De-lurking to ask all you knowledgeable people a question that really confuses me:
Why is it that the policies in the Labour manifesto, which in Germany where I'm from would be seen as social democrat/fairly centre ground policies, are seen in Britain as hard left and Marxist?

FinallyThroughTheRoof · 11/06/2017 07:00

Because Britain is very far to right these days, sadly

FinallyThroughTheRoof · 11/06/2017 07:01

And because the media have portrayed Corbyn as some sort of communist and people have absorbed it.

mathanxiety · 11/06/2017 07:19

Oh yes indeed there is, RTB.

woman12345 · 11/06/2017 08:39

So Bernie Sanders
He's still campaigning. Who knows what the future might bring? Smile

Trufflethewuffle · 11/06/2017 08:49

MayDUP agreement - you couldn't make it up!

Peregrina · 11/06/2017 08:49

After nine months of "suck it up remoaners" and" what don't you understand about democracy", I am enjoying seeing the hard Brexiters trying to convince themselves everyone that this is not a loss for May.

It's a bit like a sportsperson going out to win a world record, coming in first in the race but not beating the record. What are they getting upset about, they won, didn't they? No, they didn't win the task they set themselves.

Given the opprobrium the opposition of all parties have had, the result is remarkable.

Orlantina · 11/06/2017 09:02

Corbyn's on Marr soon

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