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Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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Bolshybookworm · 03/06/2017 09:46

Sensible. That is what's missing from the two main parties at the moment.

PedaloBar · 03/06/2017 09:49

And detail. Detail is missing.

Although I've surprised myself by realising that Labour has provided much more detail than the Tories.

Lico · 03/06/2017 10:01

I was annoying my DH last night by playing a game: 'spot the Daily Mail readers in the audience!' ; 'look at his face, I bet he/she is a DM reader😀!'.

It is so incredible how brainwashed they are and incapable of listening to other viewpoints let alone question the veracity of what they read on a daily basis; completely indoctrinated by the DM.

Watched 1984 songs after that...

Thanks Red for the threads.

prettybird · 03/06/2017 10:02

"Strong and stable" has lost its effectiveness because she's not Hmm, so the new mantra is "Magical Money Tree" with no journalists challenging where the Conservatives' own magical growth to pay for the mythical £8bn for the NHS their own spending plans and tax cuts for their donors is going to come from - especially given, even best case scenario, we'll have a Brexit induced recession during the course of the next parliament Angry

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 10:07

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-tory-tax-policy-rise-income-tax-national-insurance-higher-earners-general-election-2017-a7770581.html
Tories to exempt highest earners from any income tax hikes

Michael Fallon has ruled out his party raising taxes on the richest

Tory HQ: Brexit is only working so well. We are losing the business owners. Ok make sure that we promise they don't get taxed, that should do it. (Just make sure it's not Theresa in case we have to change our minds).

Are they giving up on some of the ukip vote and trying to shore up liberal Tories? Sounds like it.

And DEFENCE SECRETARY making promises about Tax? Hammond replaced by Fallon?

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RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 10:16

Oh God the way the Tories talk to the electorate about magic money trees must be the way they talk to their children, poor blighters

Also see believing in Brexit being like believing in fairies.

Only cons can get away with this too.

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woman12345 · 03/06/2017 10:20

Cailleach The psychotic tone of the tory press and CCHQ can do nothing to calm the fevered brains of loyalist terrorists. They are the main security threat I worry about atm on the mainland too. As well as many DM readers being unable to understand the political status of Sinn Fein or the GFI.

One of the many wonderful bits of Mac Guiness's funeral was when Foster was met with a round of applause.

I am so sad to hear that about Pat Finucane's son, it seems so positive that he's taking over where his dad left off.

And thanks for posting about Damien Walsh; his poor mum.

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 10:26

blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/labour-poll-surge-thanks-to-women/?utm_content=buffer1149c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
What explains the narrowing of GE2017 polls? Women – both young and older

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/06/2017 10:32

Leo Hickman @LeoHickman
Revealing response. Truly highlights Brexit Britain's fast-diminishing position in global diplomacy

BBC Newsnight @BBCNewsnight

"Let's see what Donald Trump does before we rush to wave fingers at him" - @BorisJohnson on the US withdrawal from Paris accord #newsnight

mobile.twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/870905647037956096/video/1

woman12345 · 03/06/2017 10:32

Lovely and sad article about Brendan Cox.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/03/brendan-cox-jo-cox-consumed-fury-hatred

Women – both young and older
NHS loss, School Cuts and dementia tax. Poor tory manifesto choices have caused this. Women are all too aware of how this affects our choices too.

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 10:33

Mr Singh @ StatisticSingh
So far the Tories have managed to keep it under wraps that the WTO option doesn't exist as a fallback. Fun and games start when the public clocks that one

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woman12345 · 03/06/2017 10:39

Mass exodus of head teachers. It is not an aspirational job for many teachers, because it just means firing other teachers and letting down children.

www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jun/03/wake-2am-worrying-kids-headteachers-leaving-britains-schools

prettybird · 03/06/2017 10:46

My candidate MP has just retweeted this which made me laugh but at the same time made me angry as it is so true

@JamieAli_: For millionaires, there actually IS a magic money tree and this is what it looks like

Westministenders: Election Mayhem
MsHooliesCardigan · 03/06/2017 11:27

I agree that anything other than a substantial increase in her majority will look like a 'failure'. And if I hear 'magic money tree' again, I swear I won't be responsible for my actions.

Mistigri · 03/06/2017 11:33

Mass exodus of head teachers. It is not an aspirational job for many teachers, because it just means firing other teachers and letting down children.

My deputy head teacher friend has gone back to being an ordinary teacher. He says that unless you're a psychopath, the job is guaranteed to make you ill.

WifeofDarth · 03/06/2017 11:58

I just got a brittle smile from a lone cabinet minister as she was doing her local doorstepping. She must be worried.

woman12345 · 03/06/2017 12:17

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/812566/General-election-2017-polls-conservatives-win-how-many-seats-Theresa-May

Tories on between 313- 362 seats

The latest YouGov polls and figures, predict that the Conservatives could hold onto 313 seats in Parliament – 27 seats less than the 330 when Parliament was dissolved on May 3.

This figure is estimated based on an expected 42 per cent of the vote, from polls up until June 2.

But Martin Baxter of the Electoral Calculus has a more favourable prediction for the Tories, predicting Theresa May could secure an additional 32 seats for a total of 362

Grifone · 03/06/2017 12:20

Anyone see this exchange between Boris Johnson and Ian Lavery? I am gobsmacked that this is the man representing the UK across the globe Shock.

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1810930762257107&id=283348121682053

HesterThrale · 03/06/2017 12:43

That Boris Johnson clip is shocking and shameful.

It's like... he knows he's for the chop (or that the Tories aren't winning) and doesn't care any more about maintaining a facade.

howabout · 03/06/2017 12:59

Emily Maitlis completely dismantled Boris on Newsnight last night. Every time he tried to avoid critiquing May by pivoting back to JC she just calmly ignored his gibberish and kept stating:

But I was asking about the Conservatives. I'll ask Labour how their guy got on after I've finished with you - slight paraphrase and defo worth tracking down on catchup. Grin

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 13:01

Some tweets from @ Election_data out of order:

Tuition fees (22%) was ranked 4th in the most important issues for 18-24s, behind education (22%), Brexit (26%) and the NHS (54%)
Little over a half (52%) of 18-24s supported a second EU referendum according to @ICMResearch @hopenothate (not good for Lib-Dem strategy)
Two-thirds of 18-24s who were registered and certain to vote said they supported Labour (68%) in @ICMResearch @hopenothate poll today
Four out of ten (39%) of 18-24 year-olds say that living in a marginal constituency would make them more likely to vote @hopenothate

The @ICMResearch poll of 18-24s says 63% of them are 'certain' to vote next week. Encouraging but worth noting 60% said the same in 2015 but only 43% turned out to vote. Some conjecture about this year. I hope they come out in those numbers as a democrat.

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SapphireStrange · 03/06/2017 13:02

Marking place. Thanks as always, Red.

howabout · 03/06/2017 13:03

MsHoolies time for Bingo or drinking games Wine

Let me be clear
We've been very clear
Strong and stable
Magic money tree
Our position has not changed

howabout · 03/06/2017 13:08

Love that pretty. Just need to add a grinning Fat Cat stuck up it.

I think Larry, Gladstone and Palmerston are anarchists though.

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 13:11

But half (52%) of 18-24s believe that Brexit reduces their life opportunities according to ICM/HopeNotHate/NUT poll
Half (49%) of 18-24s want the Brexit negotiating team to secure free movement; it's their most pressing concern from negotiations

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