Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Brexit

Westministenders: Election Mayhem

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
16
Charmageddon · 03/06/2017 08:58

*If Corbyn losses the election

Then he should go.

The whole point is to win elections not be in permanent opposition.*

He won't though.
He actually believes the noise & hype that has surrounded him since his first leadership win.

He actually believes that ordinary people whoop, cheer & faint at the sight of him - rather than it just being a group of bussed in momentum groupies.

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 08:59

www.politics.co.uk/news/2017/06/02/exclusive-newly-registered-voters-focused-on-student-seat
Exclusive: newly registered voters focused on student seats

This analysis isn't good news. It doesn't look great for yougovs modelling. (Noting Wolverhampton SW and Newcastle under Lyme). Unless drop off is leavers from the ref no longer registered but that still would probably leave over 65s voting.

And no Brexit Department isn't going to someone very remain. It's going to a May loyal convert if rumour true. It could be about trying to give the impression that softer Brexit on cards to more soft remain Tories too.

OP posts:
BestIsWest · 03/06/2017 09:02

I think it depends on the degree by which he loses. If the Tory majority is smaller than or within the region of their current majority then he should most definitely stay. The move of the party to the left does seem to have engaged an awful lot of people and I think he has more work to do before handing over to someone like Keir Starmer ready for the next election.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2017 09:02

As I've said, best result for Labour is a small Tory majority, so the Tories have to sort out their Brexit mess they got the country intio, without any planning.
You broke it, you fix it.

Then in 2022, if the electorate feel their quality of life hasn't improved after 15 years of Tory govt, Labour are ideally poised to win under a younger dynamic leader with a clear left alternative.

Peregrina · 03/06/2017 09:03

It may very well turn out that this snap election will be the best possible thing that could have happened for Corbyn and the worst possible thing for May. Not quite the result the conservatives were hoping for.

I can't but help recall Cameron saying to Corbyn 'Go, man', or words to that effect. Which one is now fighting an election, on a popular manifesto? Needs no answer.

Cailleach1 · 03/06/2017 09:05

Thanks for the new and all the old threads, Red.

Sorry for double posting before. At the risk of taking up this thread, I thought this was interesting. Is there any Westminster arrangement which will throw any light on the issues in NI? In a balanced way.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/my-boy-and-tim-parry-died-the-same-day-but-nobody-remembers-damien-35760481.html

One would wonder why this woman can't get the report into her son's killing. UFF this time, not UDA. Is it because of any alleged collusion and nobody will look under that rock?

"Mrs Walsh's grief has been compounded by the fact that the Police Ombudsman still won't give her the report into Damien's killing."

And mowing people down seems to be a thing now.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/orangeman-accused-of-driving-into-crowd-hit-them-like-skittles-court-hears-35782173.html

What amazes me is that this is part of the UK and none of this stuff is ever really reported on in Britain. It may as well be a different country.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2017 09:11

12 years. It's seems longer !

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 09:11

Kevin Schofield @ polhomeeditor
English papers full of Nicola Sturgeon saying she would help prop up Jeremy Corbyn in No10. The last thing Labour needed right now.

This exact thing really did for Labour last time round.

Am really thinking polls working against Labour now. They are more or less how the Cons would have liked it for their best campaign strategy failing an enormous landslide of historical proportions.

OP posts:
Cailleach1 · 03/06/2017 09:14

Theresa can't even stay in the open with people who haven't been handpicked. Or Tory members, councillors or candidates.

I still don't understand why the police motorbike went over to have a word with that taxi driver who having put his two fingers to her passing cavalcade, was back sitting in his carseat. He was in a public area and didn't interfere with anyone. Is it a crime to not adore May Jong-Un?

BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2017 09:16

Cailleach That's shocking we didn't hear, on the mainland, of an Orangeman driving into Catholic protestors.
I note he's in his 60s; maybe comes from a time when he could have got away with that

Bolshybookworm · 03/06/2017 09:19

2022 will be too late for those of us whose jobs depend on a sensible deal with the EU (so EEA/EFTA really). I am really scared for the future of my industry, I've already retrained to do my current job, I'm too old and too skint to do it again. Retraining sets you back financially by a good ten years and I'm at a stage of my life where I need to be earning for retirement (nevermind bringing up my kids).

All I want is someone competent in government with the balls to say to the population "ok, you want immigration controls, well this is what it will cost", instead of pandering to delusional mail readers.

ClashCityRocker · 03/06/2017 09:19

The question of what Corbyn does after the election is an interesting one.

I suspect that if the tories don't manage an increase on majority there will be many who feel that the election has been a success for Corbyn and a failure for Theresa May.

She wanted a stronger mandate - if she doesn't get that, will she reconsider her approach to the brexit negotiations?

Regardless of who is in power, brexit was always going to be difficult politically - when 48 percent of voters (who voted) didn't want it. And it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that a decent chunk of the brexiters are unhappy about how negotiations are looking.

They might not be going out to vote now, but the popularity of Corbyn (or the unpopularity of the tories) with the younger electorate may be a ticking time bomb...

Or will it be the case that as they get older they are more likely to vote tory?

She fucks brexit up (and to be fair I struggle to imagine a scenario where this wouldn't happen) it may well be that the tories will be out for a good few terms come 2022.

ClashCityRocker · 03/06/2017 09:20

Hmm, there were paragraphs in that when I typed it....

Bolshybookworm · 03/06/2017 09:22

The current bunch of tories have neither the brainpower or the talent to "fix" Brexit. They'll make a hash of it and take us all with them.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2017 09:26

When she called the GE, May asked for a big manadate
With the A50 clock ticking down, a siimilar majority would be regarded as a complete waste of time & money
Tory party rumblings are that her days are numbered if the majority is not 80+ seats

With the mad poll variation, she could still get this, or be humiliated. No one knows.
However, she was always an interim leader, designated to take the blame for any Brexit downturn, so a shiny new leader - is Bojo shiny ? - that the party really want can lead the party into 2022

Badders123 · 03/06/2017 09:27

.

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 09:27

PA poll of polls predictions

Ian Jones @ iana jones
For the first time, our results model (using latest poll averages) projects a hung parliament if turnout is 78% across all ages. #GE2017

Scenario 1: Identical turnout amongst all ages to 2015
Con - 342 - 34 maj
Lab - 221
Others - 87

Scenario 2: Turnout amongst 18- 34 year olds up to 64%
Con - 331 12 Maj
Lab - 231
Others - 88

Scenario 3: Turnout in all age groups at 78%
Cons - 319 7 short
Lab - 243
Others - 88

OP posts:
HashiAsLarry · 03/06/2017 09:35

I was screaming at ids this morning. All the talk of magic money trees and he asks whether we want to pay less tax or not. No ids, what I want is a functioning NHS and education system and if that means so tax avoiding shysters have to cough up a bit more so be it Angry

prettybird · 03/06/2017 09:35

Big clap and Flowers to the young woman in the audience last night who said it was horrific that people seemed to be applauding the idea of killing millions of people can't remember her exact words ShockConfusedSad Thought she was the only one who talked sense about the Red Button.

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 09:36

faisal Islam @faisalislam
When you think of what's in Lab manifesto re nationalisations, C-tax etc notable CCHQ not mobilised biz vote
www.ft.com/content/6228fef2-479e-11e7-8519-9f94ee97d996
Theresa May reaches out to business as Brexit tensions escalate

Prime minister denies rift with City and pledges to consult during Brussels talks

The FT very reluctantly endorsed May and the Economist went with the LDs.

LDs are supposed to be talking being the party of business over the next couple of days according to my Twitter last night.

Remainy Cons in my area certainly have a habit of being small business owners.

OP posts:
PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/06/2017 09:39

Am really thinking polls working against Labour now

Me too. Those that really can't vote Corbyn but we're supporting Labour MP as thought he had no chance might now be having second thoughts same as those with misgivings about Tories and weren't going to vote now will.

I know people in both camps.

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 09:39

The Tories keep going on about this magic money tree, but the magic money tree has to exist for them to put the extra £8billion into the NHS they are promising. How can they do that when no deal is better than a bad deal? Unless they have no intention of doing it... Oh...

OP posts:
Artisanjam · 03/06/2017 09:41

I'm expecting a Tory victory, but am also expecting it to be a poisonous chalice which potentially ends the party. I think the conservatives could be in trouble in 2022 anyway if things were plodding on as per usual - 12 years (albeit with some coalition) is too long to blame your fuck ups on the other lot, and you're expected to have sorted things out a bit.

But with Brexit, climate change, automation, demographic changes etc I really do not envy them the next 5-10 years.

My hope is that at some point we start doing more sensible grown up politics with some form of AV and an elected second chamber.

HashiAsLarry · 03/06/2017 09:45

another big red bus of lies there rtb, just without the bus Grin

PedaloBar · 03/06/2017 09:46

Oh God the way the Tories talk to the electorate about magic money trees must be the way they talk to their children, poor blighters. Absolute infantile twaddle sprinkled with patronising hypocrisy, from the ones with the uncosted 'broad ideas' manifesto.

I have friends who are active grassroots Conservatives and they are noticeably keeping their heads down on social media today. And I'm not surprised. I'll wager they feel embarrassed.

Swipe left for the next trending thread