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Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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HashiAsLarry · 05/06/2017 20:20

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RedToothBrush · 05/06/2017 20:56

m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_5921df74e4b094cdba54d332?
How To Win A General Election
An instruction guide for victory from three strategy and media gurus.

Long read on Election strategy.

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lalalonglegs · 05/06/2017 21:25

Anyone else watching the leaders QT on BBC? Tim Farron is doing very well - it breaks my heart that he could end up with even fewer seats than the LDs currently have.

HesterThrale · 05/06/2017 21:35

I agree lala, he came across well. Had detailed answers, but was personable not arrogant.

Polls saying he won't get the surge in support they'd hoped for. Brexit hasn't been the huge issue it should have been.

And FPTP - a nonsensical voting system.

BluePeppers · 05/06/2017 21:50

voteforpolicies.org.uk

Has anyone done that test?
It asks you to choose whoch policies you agree with the most (wo telling you who they are from)

Two things did stand out for me at a national level
1- there isn't such a big difference between the parties on most subjects whihc made quite hard to chose one from the other.
2- when you look at the results, the Conservatives arrive last (or next to) in most areas.

IF the conservatives get through, it migt well have nothing to do with policies they want to implement (and plenty of poeple will be disappointed!)

LurkingHusband · 05/06/2017 21:58

Tim Farron is doing very well - it breaks my heart that he could end up with even fewer seats than the LDs currently have.

In the past I've voted LD out of principle. But applying the same logic I would if I were to advise a client, I'm switching to Labour.

The Tories need to be reigned in, before we sort out Brexit Sad.

lalalonglegs · 05/06/2017 22:13

Same logic here, LH - YouGov has my currently Tory constituency as "Labour lean" and I won't risk splitting the anti-Tory vote here Sad. It helps that the Labour candidate is very pro-Remain.

LurkingHusband · 05/06/2017 22:14

It helps that the Labour candidate is very pro-Remain.

Our candidate didn't mention Brexit once

SwedishEdith · 05/06/2017 22:24

I'll be voting Lib Dem (tactically) if that makes anyone feel a little less sad about TF. Grin

Bolshybookworm · 05/06/2017 22:25

Same for me Lala and Lurking. Think I might end up having to vote labour (to at least try and oust the hateful Philip Davies) and then donating to labour or at least sending them a nice letter Blush

Bolshybookworm · 05/06/2017 22:26

Lib dem, that should have been Grin Our local candidate is lovely as well, I really feel for her Sad

annandale · 05/06/2017 22:30

Our local Tory claims she will be fighting for our local science and academic funding.

So far she has done this by voting for a50 (in a 70% remain constituency, but i can live with that) while apparently never opening her mouth on the reasons why her constituents vited that way, and also by only ever voting against the whip once. On gay marriage.

Fight the good fight sister!

HesterThrale · 05/06/2017 22:30

Our local LD candidate's leaflet talks about schools' funding, social care and fox-hunting.

No Brexit. Unbelievable.

lalalonglegs · 05/06/2017 22:30

That does cheer me up Edith Smile - and I know a couple of people who live in Twickenham and Richmond Park who will be voting LD and have a chance of returning a LD MP. In years to come though, TF's (anticipated) inability to convert the huge remain sentiment into more seats will be studied by strategists the world over.

Philip Davies's scalp is a prize worth any amount of nose-holding tactics, Bolshy.

Bolshybookworm · 05/06/2017 22:33

Indeed Lala! Don't think we'll get it though- the rich old men round here LOVE him Sad

lalalonglegs · 05/06/2017 22:35

annadale - we may have the same MP Wink: she put up no fight whatsoever but in her election bumf goes on about how pro-Remain she is and how she "spoke personally" to TM about her concerns. Fat lot of good that did if it happened at all.

I can understand not mentioning Brexit if you are the candidate for a very pro-leave area, Hester, sort of election by stealth. Weird otherwise.

SummerLightning · 05/06/2017 22:36

I'm voting Lib Dem, in a constituency where Lib Dems are always 2nd to the Tories so no tactical decisions to be made for me.

However, I have noticed that YouGov have Labour predictions slighly above Lib Dem in my constituency. This has literally never happened in the past, I find it hard to believe? Anyone noticed this?

RedToothBrush · 05/06/2017 22:37

Election data @ election-data
I'll be doing my prediction on Wednesday evening....and then another one at 3am Thursday
In the seats where UKIP are not standing there were 1,246,965 votes for UKIP in 2015. Over 1 million of those votes are in Con-held seats.
The average majority in those Con-held seats in which UKIP are not standing is 12,279 votes.
The Conservatives started the campaign with 91% retention from 2015 according to @YouGov. The latest @YouGov had it at 87% so still solid.
Labour started the campaign with 68% retention from 2015 according to @YouGov. The latest @YouGov had it at 79% so a tick up (as is normal)
The Lib Dems started the campaign with 69% retention from 2015. The latest @YouGov has it at 56%. At the outset of the campaign only 7% of
2015 Lib Dems were voting Labour. In the latest @YouGov it's 24%. At the start of the campaign UKIP had 47% retention from 2015. In the
latest @YouGov it was just 22%. At the start of the campaign 42% of 2015 UKIP voters were voting Tory and 7% Labour. In the latest @YouGov
49% were voting Tory and 20% were voting Labour. A very simple run across these numbers points to the Tory number holding very well from
2015 and being added to by 2015 Ukippers, whilst Labour's own 2015 voters have moved behind the party a bit and been added to by former Lib
Dems and UKIP voters. This is a very simple run across as the geographical distribution of these patterns is important (for one)
At the start of the campaign, 44% of 18-24s were voting Labour and 24% LibDem according to @YouGov. In their latest poll it was 71% for
Labour and 9% Lib Dem. At the start of the campaign, 30% of 25-49s were voting Labour, 37% Tory and 14% Lib Dem. In their latest @YouGov had
46% supporting Labour, 33% Tory and 10% Lib Dem. Which suggests, along with the retention data, that Labour are picking up younger voters
from the Lib Dems. There haven't been marked movements for over 50s, particularly for over 65s in which the Tories retain a 40-50 point lead
Lastly, at the start of the campaign @YouGov had Labour winning 34% of Remain voters, with 31% of Remainers voting Tory and 22% Lib Dem
In their last poll @YouGov had Labour winning 49% of Remainers (up 15%), with Tories down 4% to 27% and Lib Dems down 8% to 14%
It seems reasonably (!) clear to me from the previous posts that Labour's uptick has come from younger Lib Dem, Remain voters underpinned
by improved retention from 2015 with a modicum of 2015 UKIP voters sprinkled on top
The next point is to understand where those voters contribute to seat outcomes. That's for a different thread but I can guess......

From this logic, my seat might go red. Coupled with local knowledge I know why ( but I'll leave that until late Thursday to explain). It'll be close but I'm starting to think it will turn.

Election forecast have it near certain blue, election calculas have it blue, lord Ashcroft has it blue. YouGov? Likely red. Not lean. Likely.

I'm curious to see where Election-data put us. Iain dale has seat by seat due tomorrow and I believe the newstateman are doing one too.

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woman12345 · 05/06/2017 22:43

From that Huff article you posted red it's blue too. After the awful events on Saturday, and the way it's being reported, it seems inevitable. Interesting article though, thanks.

annandale · 05/06/2017 23:01

I'm sure lala. I have always tried to be positive about her as she responds to letters and has done some ok nonparty things but I've had it now. I don't understand why she is an MP and to me she is not demonstrating any understanding of the strengths and challenges of her constituency. Where are her ovaries? Where is her inner battleaxe?

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RedToothBrush · 05/06/2017 23:11

marriott-stats.com/nigels-blog/uk-general-election-2017-forecast-1-latest-prediction/

Here's another seat by seat.

CON - 377
LAB - 199
LD - 3
UKIP - 0
Green - 0
Plaid - 3
SNP - 49

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lalalonglegs · 05/06/2017 23:16

LDs - 3 Shock
Green - 0 Hmm

I don't know enough about LD seats to comment but Caroline Lucas is fairly safe.

prettybird · 05/06/2017 23:20

My feet ache from 5 hours leafleting today - followed by a Parent Council meeting, where the head had to explain how she'd reluctantly had to make the decision to cancel a trip to London tomorrow for the S1s Sad

I think I've done my volunteering for the day - although I still have about another 2 hours leafleting to do tomorrow to finish the "round" I was given! Shock

I think my candidate is safe though - he's been visible and active unlike the previous incumbent - to the extent that I know people who've not voted SNP before are going to vote for him as he's been a good constituency MP. (My constituency was one of the ones that broke the BBC's swingometer last time around Grin)

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