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Westministenders: Election Mayhem

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RedToothBrush · 02/06/2017 18:50

Tick tock, tick tock goes the Brexit Clock.

Don’t panic, just don’t turn up to debates because you have talks starting on the 19th June and have to perfect the 100 page document relating to at least 750 international agreements that need renegotiating before then. Anyone who turns up for their job interview for that, is just wasting time.

If only someone hadn’t called a distracting election.

This election was dubbed to be about Brexit. Yet it is remarkable that we have barely had debate over it. No one wants to admit it really. We nearly got a consensus between Barry Gardiner, Nick Clegg and David Davis over it being a political not economic decision on Question Time on Thursday 1st June, but we are not quite there yet with the admission that the economy is toast. This means the addition money the Conservatives have promised for the NHS won’t be available but we can’t have this discussion. Its properly the fault of purdah. Instead the subject rapidly got skipped over. Instead Davis said that the target May had just set for immigration to be at tens of thousands by 2022 was unrealistic.

In post-election rumour has it that Davis is about to get a promotion to the FCO, whilst Johnson gets the boot. On the other hand Gove is also rumoured for NI and May loyal Gummer gets Brexit.

Meanwhile the 1922 Committee of Tory Backbenchers are said to be plotting the downfall of at least one of May’s guard dogs, Nick Timothy following the decision about the Dementia Tax and subsequent U-Turn. Farage also mentioned Timothy in his statement over the breaking news that the CPS are pressing charges on the Conservative Candidate for South Thanet (the former MP there), his agent and a Tory Party official over election expenses. It seems almost inconceivable that Timothy can survive a traditional Tory Knifing.

This is all as May’s leadership approval ratings are in freefall as the honeymoon is firmly ends, after the public finally got to see her create an army of strawmen as answers, in a barely concealed contempt for the public’s concerns. May’s reaction to a negative reaction? Go back into hiding from media accountability and get the Mail to do her dirty work.

Elsewhere the EU have lined up to criticise Trump over his hard ball attempt to renegotiate the Paris Climate Deal. May was noticeable by her absence as she’s trying the same trick over Brexit and is desperate to keep Trump onside. What is Trump offering us in return? Apart from a Brexit Opportunity to get stiffed.

As for the polls? Despite them, it’s difficult to see the Tories not making a net seat gain. For Labour to do well it relies on widespread tactical voting, young who haven’t previously voted turning out in levels not seen since the 1970s and this being spread across the country and not concentrated in University areas. This will be tough to achieve to simply stop a Tory Landslide, never mind a hung parliament. Labour winning a majority is the stuff of pure fantasy (needs Lab to be 12points ahead of Cons). That said, if the result isn’t much different to the 2015 result, it will beg major questions over May’s leadership and her ability to read the public mood. It will say something about her refusal to engage with ‘the saboteurs’.

Expect an increased Tory Majority but not of the epic scale of 470 they originally were aiming for.

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TheElementsSong · 03/06/2017 15:36

The idea that people should 'give up' if they don't win is nonsense.

Well, it's exactly like Brexit, isn't it?

citroenpresse · 03/06/2017 15:37

Yes indeed about the hope. I think it will be around 30-50 majority but whatever it is, there's no way May can argue a massive mandate and this strong and stable stuff simply won't do. She's now irreparably damaged and most of the reasons why it has gone so wrong for the Tories are to do with her. She's coming into Brexit negotiations from a really weak position.

TheElementsSong · 03/06/2017 15:40

Sad to see Leeds north west on that list (potential lib dem to labour). Greg Mulholland is a decent, well liked MP.

Agreed, Bolshy. I'm sure Alex Sobel is also a decent guy and will be a good MP, but I would feel very disappointed if Greg loses after all he has done for the constituency. Plus, ultimately I consider both Con and Lab as pro-Brexit parties (albeit of different flavours) and it seems a shame to lose further representation of the 48%.

BiglyBadgers · 03/06/2017 15:42

I would be pleased with 40 majority for the Tories considering what was originally predicted. I would be disappointed with 80 and positively despondent with higher. If they got less than 40 I would be amazed and thrilled. I am refusing to get too excited by some of the more extreme polls. There is no point setting myself up for crushing disappointment.

woman12345 · 03/06/2017 15:46

I'm still on 80 seat Majority for Tories this would have been beyond my wildest dreams in April. Smile Even that will do nicely, for the moment..

BiglyBadgers · 03/06/2017 15:56

Ha, fair point woman. Maybe I am setting myself up for disappointment after all Grin

sodablackcurrant · 03/06/2017 16:00

Can anyone remember what the predicted majority was at the start of the campaign, i.e. with a landslide victory for the Tories.

BiglyBadgers · 03/06/2017 16:05

I remember people seriously talking about it being over a hundred as if it was pretty much a done deal

citroenpresse · 03/06/2017 16:08

No but I looked at the predictions for the 2015 election and it was much much closer for Labour. 80 looks much more like it unless more u-turns ahead.

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 16:09

The thing with the election, was the CONs were bold in their targeting initially, thinking that Labour posed no threat to some of their marginals. They might well get those but loose those marginals for that reason.

Which would put some of the other seat by seats out and would be right on yougov. Which is why I don't think the yougov one should be just discounted.

There are more likely to be 'outliers' from what pundits are expecting for this reason. I'm expecting so really wild swings in some Labour seats to the Cons and more modest swings in some Con ones to Labour. Then the ones in the middle in terms of majorities staying relatively the same. Which will have people scratching their heads going 'uh?'

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citroenpresse · 03/06/2017 16:15

There are fewer marginals in this election but what swung once, could swing again...(hope springs eternal).

BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2017 16:18

Stick to your principles and fight for them.

When the Tories lost in 1974, they didn't go Labour-lite; they went for MrsT.
She reportedly described New Labour as her greatest achievement - because Labour went Thatcher-lite and kept nearly all her changes.

The mistake that let in Trump and Brexit was that the "left" in the US and UK reacted to defeat by aping many of the policies of the right, favouring Mandelson's beloved "filthy rich" over ordinary people.
So when angry voters wanted to protest, the only ones offering clearly different policies were the far right.

However, after this GE, first the party needs to agree Labour should be a clear left alternative
But Corbyn then needs to hand over to a younger dynamic leader, with a clean past and who can lead the PLP.
Also, Abbott is a nightmare who should be restricted to the backbenches.

Labour need to organize professionallyy to win a 2022 post-Brexit GE, which may be an open goal.

RedToothBrush · 03/06/2017 16:20

Abbott should not be let anywhere near a journalist ever again.

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BreakingDad77 · 03/06/2017 16:20

I sometimes wonder if conservatives realise what a mess brexit will be, shirts will be lost, and if they won then they would have two years of anger at the deal they didn't get. So have doing best to throw it. Parts of me also thinks that the enormity of brexit deserves to be shouldered by all parties.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2017 16:25

On 9 June, I won't be astonished by anything from a hung Parliament to 100 majority.

The original predictions were that Labour might fall below 150 seats & 25% and that the Tories might even reach 50%
The Tory poll lead was 20-24%

The NHS, Brexit no-deal and Maybot the Turning Robot have changed that

howabout · 03/06/2017 16:35

Loving the optimistic Yougov proj
Con 265
Lab 301
SNP 26
LibDem 3-18

Works for me.

TM and her team having their very own coalition of chaos on income tax Grin

JustAnotherPoster00 · 03/06/2017 16:38

Loving the optimistic Yougov proj
Con 265
Lab 301
SNP 26
LibDem 3-18

Works for me.

If that was the case I think I'd have a happy little cry about it, thats whats going to kill me is the hope thats building not that we WILL but that it felt like we could Sad

SwedishEdith · 03/06/2017 16:40

"ok, you want immigration controls, well this is what it will cost"

If only that had been the referendum question.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/06/2017 16:44

There are more likely to be 'outliers' from what pundits are expecting for this reason

I think there will be a bit of herding in these last few polls though as some polsters are going to lose a bit of creditability over these polls as they have been so wildly different.

A bit of herding would save them a bit.

howabout · 03/06/2017 16:44

Barry Gardiner is a fellow Glaswegian - just googled his v v v impressive backstory. I am a total groupie now (but not in a guilty pleasure JRM sort of way) Smile

Now I understand why A Neil has been giving him airtime over the last 6 months to get him properly battle ready Wink

Peregrina · 03/06/2017 16:44

I prefer the earlier projection myself, with the Tories down to 308, so they would have to form a minority government. That would be my dream. Then we would need to get the Opposition to properly work as an opposition, unlike the last Parliament where they mostly supinely rolled over.

Holding a decent number of seats instead of the wipe out predicted would give Corbyn a mandate too, even though I don't personally care much for him.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2017 16:44

Joys to anticipate : Boris staying on (Telegraph paywall)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/03/boris-johnson-reassured-will-keep-foreign-secretary-job-election/

"Boris Johnson has been given reassurances from Number 10 that he will not be sacked as Foreign Secretary if the Tories are re-elected,The Telegraph understands.

Two sources close to Mr Johnson have told this newspaper he was given indications he would be safe in any post-election reshuffle."

“Look at the television.
The team that was on sent out onto the airways to defend Theresa will be the top team afterwards:
Boris, Michael Fallon, Amber Rudd, David Davis,”

"Those who have barely been given national airtime will be more nervous.
Andrea Leadsom, the Environment Secretary, has rarely featured on nationwide broadcasts.

Nor has Sajid Javid, the Communities Secretary, who clashed with Number 10 over his housing drive and is close to George Osborne – the former chancellor sacked by Mrs May.

Tory gossips have also raised questions over Liz Truss, the embattled Justice Secretary, and Liam Fox, < hooray ! > the International Trade – both little deployed in high-profile campaign events.

Philip Hammond, the Chancellor, plays down speculation he could be moved in an interview with this newspaper, saying alleged tensions with Number 10 are “overplayed”.

SwedishEdith · 03/06/2017 16:44

Leeds North West covers a big student area. So, asking them looks like a big shift to Labour but will they vote? Will they still be there to vote?

citroenpresse · 03/06/2017 16:45

You can't put a price on reputation. That's what Brexit has done for us.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/06/2017 16:48

Where on earth did you see that projection, howabout - did you add on 10% to Labour again Grin

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