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RedToothBrush · 29/05/2017 11:48

The Maynifesto is out (lets be honest here; other Manifestos are just exercises in dreaming). The rumours of what will happen post Election are in full swing.

The Conservatives are ‘relaunching’ their campaign after Theresa May’s single handed attempt at throwing the election, has needed an intervention.

Yet the reality is that May will win. And win comfortably, increasing her majority. Talk of a Corbyn surge is just that. Talk. He still is more than 5% behind and the excitement about how the gap has closed is getting carried away. Indeed it only helps the Conservatives to get their vote out. Corbyn also started from such a dreadful position, it just makes the effect look more dramatic than it really is and May was always going to struggle to get much more support after the local election peak.

The thing is none of the political parties are covering themselves in glory. No one is offering what people want. In terms of voters not being impressed by their leadership, I don’t think many are really happy and are just going for the best available option out of a particular bad crop. It does not bode well for the future regardless of who wins. We should be worried about the quality of debate and our representatives regardless of who we end up voting for.

Come election night there are going to be some particularly shocking results. The idea that there is a national trend is not right. This election is highly localised in nature. Which will result in these surprises to outsiders but perhaps not locals.

June 9th will make for a lot of soul searching I suspect. For all three parties. There will be leadership questions that remain unanswered and need to be resolved. There are still massive political divides in parties. Heads will roll and need to be replaced. Expectations and the reality have been out of line for all three in one way or another.

Yet all of this is a side show to an extent. Whilst we all scrabble around trying to work it out amongst ourselves, the rest of the world moves forward without us. And the clock ticks.

Merkel has set the tone for the next round of Brexit. It is regarded by the German political elite as ‘Trumpandbrexit’. We are part of the same phenomenon even though many see it through different eyes in this country. This lack of awareness of how we are perceived outside our own walls is something we will face head on at some point and it won’t be good.

Trump himself is up to his neck in scandal. And has risked our safety as a direct result. May might have held her hand but that relationship does not seem to be going well for us. We are between a rock and a hard place and are drifting out to see.

Global Britain has never seemed so lonely and isolated. The rosy future we were promised, becomes ever more a distant dream rather than a dawn of a new age.

Reality will get us in the end.

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BigChocFrenzy · 30/05/2017 18:19

Anonymous State Dept official says Trump behaved like a "drunk tourist" on his first trip abroad and blasted his "arrogance"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/donald-trump-trip-abroad-saudi-arabia-europe-nato-climate-change-human-rights-handshakes-a7761036.html

BigChocFrenzy · 30/05/2017 18:22

"the G7 summit, at which Donald Trump stomped about with all the diplomatic grace of an orangutan.Grin
Pushing the Montenegrin Prime Minister out the way doesn’t really matter very much." Hmm

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/angela-merkel-donald-trump-us-and-uk-brexit-europeans-must-fight-for-our-own-future-and-destiny-a7761796.html

BigChocFrenzy · 30/05/2017 18:25

Brussels negotiator Martin Selmayr has a favourite line:
the UK has “had its hand on the brake of history” for too long

Mistigri · 30/05/2017 18:37

The silence from big business over Brexit has been deafening, and (perhaps) slightly sinister. I wonder if they have been biding their time?

UK companies are keeping their heads below the parapet. Word is that speaking out against govt policy has the effect of terminating any access to government.

You'll notice that it's mainly foreign owned companies speaking up - Ryanair, US banks.

My FTSE 100 employer has a brexit committee - but even employees don't really know what it's planning (even most senior management don't know officially).

woman12345 · 30/05/2017 19:47

It's not going to win labour the election, but JC seemed so nice on the One show, complete with a jar of jam for the presenters.Smile Certainly a contrast with TM's appearance.

BigChocFrenzy · 30/05/2017 20:40

JC Mumsnet webchat was shambolic though:
arrived late and then had to leave to catch a train.
So, he was only there 20 mins and didn't have time to answer much
Unless there's something we don't know, that Webchat showed a lack of organization and professionalism, rather than the impression he wanted to make.

woman12345 · 30/05/2017 21:17

Yes, the web chat it was a bit disappointing. At least he did it though, and I'd like to see TM up against Jenni Murray on Woman's hour.

RedToothBrush · 30/05/2017 21:20

Nate Silver‏*@NateSilver538*

HuffPost is publishing UK polling numbers that strip out some of the adjustments pollsters over there usually make.
elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2017-united-kingdom-general-election

The HuffPost average shows Conservatives only 3 points ahead. Those adjustments make a huge difference for some polls.

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woman12345 · 30/05/2017 21:58

3%. Wow. I was not expecting that sort of polling numbers a month ago. Anything that even reduces their projected majority has to help.

Young people seem more engaged than ever, there seems to be a significant number of older voters who used to vote tory but can't vote for her. Channel 4 did a viewers' QA, tonight which seemed to reveal this. Shouty kippers seemed to successfully alienate most in the audience.

RedToothBrush · 30/05/2017 22:06

Peter Yeung‏*@ptr*_yeung 5m ago
NEW: YouGov estimates for @thetimes show the Tory party are currently set to be 16 seats short of an overall majority #tomorrowspaperstoday

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BigChocFrenzy · 30/05/2017 22:14
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Peregrina · 30/05/2017 22:18

If that is the result May gets it will be entirely her own fault, but I will believe it when it happens. However, I would be delighted if the extra Lib Dem seat was won in Oxford West and Abingdon.

RedToothBrush · 30/05/2017 22:18

woman, I STILL think despite the above from YouGov tomorrow that these estimates are off the mark. Labour is being over estimated from what I can see. I'll have to look at the break down from YouGov when it comes out tomorrow.

There was a notable shift (yes shift) from 2015 Con voters to Labour in the last YouGov polll on the 25 - 26 May. It will be interesting to see if this has continued. The weighted number had been 89 - 91% of Con voters from 2015 staying with the Cons in every YouGov Poll since the election had been announced. The last one was 83% with an 8% transfer to LAB (transfer had been between 2 and 4% up to this point).

The yougov is lower than the bottom estimate for electionforecast. Their latest forecast today had the CON's gaining ground slightly too - I think they had the mid estimate about the 380s.

We'll see. I am rather more cautious about polling though. The margin of error for pollsters at GE is supposed to be around 4 - 5% which is a hell of a lot.

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RedToothBrush · 30/05/2017 22:20

Chris Hanretty‏*@chrishanretty*
I'll have to check the seat-by-seat figures, but this is hard to get my head round

(He's electionforecast)

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LurkingHusband · 30/05/2017 22:23

NEW: YouGov estimates for @thetimes show the Tory party are currently set to be 16 seats short of an overall majority #tomorrowspaperstoday

Suits me fine ...

woman12345 · 30/05/2017 22:25

Red,thanks for that. Interesting times. Labour were nudging up at this point in 2015, so expecting a May win, but we will see.

RedToothBrush · 30/05/2017 22:28

Sam Coates Times‏*@SamCoatesTimes*
Tonight: we reveal YouGov's first seat by seat projection of the campaign - suggests Tories fall 16 seats short of overall majority
Tonight's YouGov data, which will be updated daily between now and polling day, based on complex model and 7,000 sample over 7 days

If its anywhere NEAR this, then May is in big trouble. If its WAY out from this yougov's credibility really is shot. YouGov have been polling Labour higher than pretty much all the other pollsters, it must be noted.

Fuck Knows.

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Motheroffourdragons · 30/05/2017 22:37

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RedToothBrush · 30/05/2017 22:37

Stewart McDonald‏*@StewartMcDonald* (SNP for Glasgow South)
Basically everything at Tory HQ is currently on fire

Helen Lewis@helenlewis (NewStatesman)
I don't believe this but you have to admit, it would be funny as hell.

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RedToothBrush · 30/05/2017 22:43

TSE‏*@TSEofPB*
This @YouGov analysis/poll is great, will get wavering Tories out and end any complacency.

THIS.

I know people who are disgusted by Tories and said they would vote LD on the basis of there being no hope of the Cons winning.

So this poll might actually influence things in a different way.

I'm going totally cross eyed over it.

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RedToothBrush · 30/05/2017 22:45

Jon Stone‏*@joncstone*

Obviously worth remembering that YouGov's final 2015 seat prediction did not exactly go as planned

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woman12345 · 30/05/2017 22:50

The brexit vote started to tip this way too a week before. It really will be a matter of who gets the vote out.

RedToothBrush · 30/05/2017 22:51

Tom Newton Dunn‏*@tnewtondunn*

So @YouGuv tonight are projecting a hung parliament, and @ComRes a 100+ Tory majority. One will look very silly on June 9.

Statement about ComRes's 2017 forecast methodology

(If I'm not mistaken Election Forecast is at about the mid point...)

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RedToothBrush · 30/05/2017 22:57

L Janta-Lipinski‏*@jantalipinski*

YouGov's model for the EU referendum had Leave ahead the whole way through. Maybe it was easier, maybe it wasn't. We'll know in 9 days

Arrgghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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woman12345 · 30/05/2017 23:01

18-24 year olds pay a fortune for car insurance, even if they do drive. Local parties tend to organise polling station lifts for older and disabled voters. As well as getting young people to register, I hope local parties have organisers on getting young people to the polling stations. And it's exam season.